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Re: CJ love
« Reply #120 on: April 05, 2021, 08:05:02 AM »
The difference for me was almost literally night and day.
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« Reply #121 on: April 05, 2021, 11:50:06 AM »
With free shipping, Amazon has them $10 cheaper, and you can't beat their return policy.

https://www.amazon.com/Mitutoyo-511-753-Bore-Gage-2923SB-10/dp/B00FJIH6IC

I just happened to think, does Ebay charge tax on purchases like this? If not, the Ebay one would be cheaper then.
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Re: CJ love
« Reply #122 on: April 05, 2021, 02:44:28 PM »
I don’t know about you guys but all of the sudden I find myself perusing measuring device websites. Just bought a Starrett replacement dial indicator to replace the cheapo on my magnetic stand.
Another rabbit hole to go down. :) Don’t care.
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Re: CJ love
« Reply #123 on: April 07, 2021, 04:25:39 PM »
Made some headway today.
Got finished fretting over the crank and clearances and installed it and the cam for good.
I did get some ARP bolts for the caps. I did not use them on the #5 cap in order to save myself any pan clearance grief. ARP says 95 lbs with their goop so that’s what I did.
Everything went together like “butta”. The only thing not perfect was when I installed the thrust cap I didn’t have enough clearance. Had plenty on the top but as soon as I installed the bottom it went away. I could adjust the cap and get maybe .0030-.0035. So I took off the cap and gave it a little sanding. Re installed and had a good solid .0045 with no pressure. Mission accomplished, bolted it all together.
Really really sweet rotation on both cam and crank. Feel real good about it.
Did Brents little Dow Corning silicone squeeze deal on the side seals for #5. It looks like it will work fine. Watching where the ooze comes from gives you peace of mind.
I’m going to use one of Jays adjustable timing sets as I have it here and why spend another hundred bucks for another. It’s a quality piece and hey if the cam comes in one degree off, easy peazy.
Now I just have to wait for keys as I forgot to get some.





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Re: CJ love
« Reply #124 on: April 07, 2021, 06:23:54 PM »
Lookin' good Marc!   :D
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Re: CJ love
« Reply #125 on: April 10, 2021, 03:17:12 PM »
I know it doesn’t sound like much but it was the better part of a morning for me.
I installed the timing set. I know you should be able to throw those on in a minute.
But I think I found something else you only think about when you’re doing everything yourself.
The Pioneer PK-9 keys need a little massaging. At least to fit on Mr. Browns beautiful timing set.
Jay told me he likes a tight fit (two, three.....joke) so he makes them that way. On a Scat crank snout it’s pretty darn tight. The Scat snout is a good .001 bigger than the gear inside diameter. I could have gotten it on but I didn’t want to beat on my junk (two, three....next joke) that much. After talking to Jay and him assuring me I was ok I started to cold fit the gear onto the keys and snout. I could have heated up the key and been ok but I was a bit worried about the key fit. They were 2 or 3 thou higher than the gear key way and would not fit in the keyway. So I took some fine grit Emory cloth to the inside of the gear and filed the keys down a couple thou. After two times trying for a fit it finally went on and good and snug as it should be. Totally aware that I could go overboard on filing but it has a nice tight interference fit.
Effortless rotation on the crank and cam together. It really feels wonderful.

OBTW
Finished gapping rings.
Math says tops at .0187
Seconds at same.
I gapped the tops at a snug .019
And the seconds at .022


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Re: CJ love
« Reply #126 on: April 10, 2021, 05:01:55 PM »
Couple things you can check here:

1.  The lower right thrust plate bolt is often too long, which blocks off the feed hole from the front cam bearing to the distributor shaft/gear.
2.  The length of threads inside the cam can vary from core to core.  I always do a depth check from the outside of the timing gear to the depth of the cam bolt hole.  I have ARP cam bolts in 1.5/1.75/2.0 lengths and they vary from build to build.  You want adequate engagement, but obviously not too much so that the threads bottom out before it's tight, or not enough that the bolt strips out when torqued.
3.  Check for adequate camshaft end play.  I surface grind new thrust plates, 10 at a time, so I can have adequate thrust plate.  Out of the box, they generally don't have any end play, or just a couple of thou.
4.  Make sure you have clearance between the cam dowel pin and the cam bolt washer. 
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Re: CJ love
« Reply #127 on: April 10, 2021, 05:26:35 PM »
Thanks I did check the length of the cam retainer bolt.
With the retainer thickness it clears great. Jay supplies the bolts with his set. They have a low head and are correct length.
I did check the cam bolt, all good.
I used the original retainer plate.
Cam has .0085 end play
The cowl pin does stick out about .017

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Re: CJ love
« Reply #128 on: April 10, 2021, 05:42:54 PM »
You need to whack that dowel pin off so that the washer isn't loaded on one side.  The pin needs to be below flush.   It only needs to stick out when it has to engage a one piece pump eccentric.
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« Reply #129 on: April 10, 2021, 06:26:23 PM »
Mental note made for when using electric fuel pump. :)
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Re: CJ love
« Reply #130 on: April 10, 2021, 07:50:15 PM »
Scat often does not make the keyway deep enough.  I think they cut the key slot before they finish grind the snout on the crank, and don't take the final grind diameter into account.  We end up trimming the keys a little bit on a regular basis.

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Re: CJ love
« Reply #131 on: April 11, 2021, 06:08:22 AM »
Mental note made for when using electric fuel pump. :)

Yep, if you're using a mechanical pump and eccentric, then the dowel is correct and the washer will sit flush when the eccentric is on. 

The cam guys usually supply two pins:  one for a one-piece eccentric and one for a two-piece or no eccentric. 
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Re: CJ love
« Reply #132 on: April 11, 2021, 08:42:32 AM »
Thanks Barry that’s good to know.
Brent this dowel came installed and was the only dowel in the box. I’ll get ‘er whacked this mornin’.
Marc
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Re: CJ love
« Reply #133 on: April 11, 2021, 01:48:46 PM »
Well I promised I would show this build warts and all in order to pass along lessons learned.
Here’s a wart. I attempted to take the timing gears off to get to the dowl pin to cut it off. But. As I was trying to pull the gears I decided I could not get the crank gear off without damaging the chain or bending the gear. So I reverted to my shade tree mechanic background and ground it down just below surface. It’s a very inelegant fix but it is a fix. And it hides mostly under the washer. Ok, lesson learned.








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Re: CJ love
« Reply #134 on: April 11, 2021, 03:05:01 PM »
Like all the pictures especially the journal pics. Will use that soon.