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Re: 360 horse 352
« Reply #75 on: October 02, 2020, 02:50:45 PM »
I sure would like to find the guy who put this engine together.. I just measured compression distance.....  .170!  add the thick .045 FelPro and it's at .215   Some quench.... If it had big chamber heads it could burn kerosene...
1955 Thunderbird Competition Coupe Altered Chassis "War Bird" 383 Lincoln Y block 520 hp
1955 Thunderbird 292 275 hp Y Block
1956 Ford Victoria 292 Y block

1957 Mercury 2dr Wagon "Battle Wagon" drag car 
1957 Thunderbird Glass body Tube Chassis drag car 333 cu in 500 hp Ford Y block
1961 Starliner 390/375 clone
1965 GT40 tribute w/FE
1966 Falcon Pro Touring project
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Re: 360 horse 352
« Reply #76 on: October 02, 2020, 06:43:21 PM »
Are the pistons marked?
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Re: 360 horse 352
« Reply #77 on: October 02, 2020, 08:54:50 PM »
Anybody able to identify this cam?  Those are the only markings I can find..

Piston is at TDC
1955 Thunderbird Competition Coupe Altered Chassis "War Bird" 383 Lincoln Y block 520 hp
1955 Thunderbird 292 275 hp Y Block
1956 Ford Victoria 292 Y block

1957 Mercury 2dr Wagon "Battle Wagon" drag car 
1957 Thunderbird Glass body Tube Chassis drag car 333 cu in 500 hp Ford Y block
1961 Starliner 390/375 clone
1965 GT40 tribute w/FE
1966 Falcon Pro Touring project
Kaase Boss 547. 840 HP 698 Torque  pump gas
1992 BMW V-12 5.0
2001 Lincoln 5.4 4 cam.
1968 Cougar XR7

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Re: 360 horse 352
« Reply #78 on: October 02, 2020, 10:16:54 PM »
Royce , I have crank & a set of the late 352 Hipo rods with large rod nuts. They can go with the 59 block I pm you about. Mike

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Re: 360 horse 352
« Reply #79 on: October 03, 2020, 10:13:43 AM »
Cam looks like elgin melling or wolverine all made by melling i think.

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Re: 360 horse 352
« Reply #80 on: October 03, 2020, 11:30:08 AM »
The .170 deck clearance, is very odd.

If the stroke is 3.984, then the CH would be about 1.52 for 6.488 rods or around 1.47 with the original rods. Ford didn't make anything with those CH nor, can I find any other engine with that kind of CH but, they look like mass produced, cast pistons.
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Re: 360 horse 352
« Reply #81 on: October 03, 2020, 12:21:58 PM »
Cam looks like elgin melling or wolverine all made by melling i think.
I agree...My 1st thought was Melling. I've run a couple of their cams. One of note is the cam that I have in my Fairlane, 427 M/R, it is a reproduction 324deg/.500" with milder timings.

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Re: 360 horse 352
« Reply #82 on: October 03, 2020, 01:51:04 PM »
Lobe lift was .300
1955 Thunderbird Competition Coupe Altered Chassis "War Bird" 383 Lincoln Y block 520 hp
1955 Thunderbird 292 275 hp Y Block
1956 Ford Victoria 292 Y block

1957 Mercury 2dr Wagon "Battle Wagon" drag car 
1957 Thunderbird Glass body Tube Chassis drag car 333 cu in 500 hp Ford Y block
1961 Starliner 390/375 clone
1965 GT40 tribute w/FE
1966 Falcon Pro Touring project
Kaase Boss 547. 840 HP 698 Torque  pump gas
1992 BMW V-12 5.0
2001 Lincoln 5.4 4 cam.
1968 Cougar XR7

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Re: 360 horse 352
« Reply #83 on: October 03, 2020, 03:15:21 PM »
Royce, I have a standard 360 crank if you need it.  Nothing special but was in decent shape.  Let me know if you don't find local, was too nice to toss but can't think of why I would use it
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Re: 360 horse 352
« Reply #84 on: October 03, 2020, 03:35:47 PM »
I’ve got a freshly ground 352 crank, Royce, if you need something.
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Re: 360 horse 352
« Reply #85 on: October 03, 2020, 07:05:37 PM »
I have a 20 yr old Melling catalog for FE's their stock replacement part #'s are SYB-6,8,13, 22  or 23. Only the SYB-6 is mech.

For performance cams, all listed are hyd and they are 5 digit's, all starting with 24, i.e. 24302, their hotest cam and a 24104, also listed as MTF-4. None have a suffix. Also none list a .300 cam lift. .295 x .31 and a .320 for their 24302 cam.

I was surprised that they didn't list any of the Ford FE mech lifter profiles as they did list a SB LeMans cam.

TRW's cams, '78 - '89, have part #'s of TM or TP and 3 digits, no suffix's. TP are performance cams and have several Ford profiles.

Elgin's current catalog #'s have a E prefix and a P suffix, 3 and 4 digit's, in between but, no 1027
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Re: 360 horse 352
« Reply #86 on: October 03, 2020, 08:26:02 PM »
Werby if you want this info for your records....

I have done two List 2112 carburetors recently.

List number         2112 C0AE-9510-AA
Type            4160
Primary            

Main Jet         64
PVCR            .040

Secondary
Jet size         .075


Fairly rich jetting for such a small carb.  If I were to stab a guess at jetting for this size carb it'd be 62/67.  My guess is that this was designed strictly for a 1/4 mile time, but who knows what they wanted in 1959.
I have black book entry as well as Master Data sheet for this carb.

Drew

Drew, thanks for all that detail.
I have one but have not got into it yet.
It also looked to me like it was jetted for open headers and then some, so the confirmation with your numbers helps.

Most of the early HiPo Ford packages were jetted rich, but this seems the richest of the bunch.
I remember from my days of running the big 429 Lima Fords, they liked really rich jets - maybe because the intake tract was so huge.
Well, these early 352 ports are just as big as 427 LoRiser ports so maybe it was the same phenom and they like over-rich jets when racing with open pipes.

IIRC Hot Rod mag commented on the 390/401-6v setup that Ford left it jetted the same as their full power runs.
I'd be tempted to drop about 3 sizes all around for street &mufflers use with the iron manifolds.
The carb also seems too small at ~540cfm, I wonder how a 720cfm 427 carb or 735cfm 428CJ carb would do on there.

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Re: 360 horse 352
« Reply #87 on: October 03, 2020, 09:05:05 PM »
What was Holley's biggest carb in 1960?
1955 Thunderbird Competition Coupe Altered Chassis "War Bird" 383 Lincoln Y block 520 hp
1955 Thunderbird 292 275 hp Y Block
1956 Ford Victoria 292 Y block

1957 Mercury 2dr Wagon "Battle Wagon" drag car 
1957 Thunderbird Glass body Tube Chassis drag car 333 cu in 500 hp Ford Y block
1961 Starliner 390/375 clone
1965 GT40 tribute w/FE
1966 Falcon Pro Touring project
Kaase Boss 547. 840 HP 698 Torque  pump gas
1992 BMW V-12 5.0
2001 Lincoln 5.4 4 cam.
1968 Cougar XR7

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Re: 360 horse 352
« Reply #88 on: October 03, 2020, 09:08:44 PM »
Maybe the suffix which looks like an M on that cam means mechanical.. Judging by the rest of the parts in there it might be a PAW or some other no name white box unit..
1955 Thunderbird Competition Coupe Altered Chassis "War Bird" 383 Lincoln Y block 520 hp
1955 Thunderbird 292 275 hp Y Block
1956 Ford Victoria 292 Y block

1957 Mercury 2dr Wagon "Battle Wagon" drag car 
1957 Thunderbird Glass body Tube Chassis drag car 333 cu in 500 hp Ford Y block
1961 Starliner 390/375 clone
1965 GT40 tribute w/FE
1966 Falcon Pro Touring project
Kaase Boss 547. 840 HP 698 Torque  pump gas
1992 BMW V-12 5.0
2001 Lincoln 5.4 4 cam.
1968 Cougar XR7

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Re: 360 horse 352
« Reply #89 on: October 03, 2020, 09:14:00 PM »
I think I found a crank locally but thanks for the offer guys. I have not pulled the pan yet but i can see C3 rods in there.. That piston is a mystery.  The top looks like a factory FE piston. nobody else uses a 4.13 bore as standard. I'll measure again with a dial indicator but my caliper says .170 down the hole.. maybe it's a rare tall deck block for export only..
1955 Thunderbird Competition Coupe Altered Chassis "War Bird" 383 Lincoln Y block 520 hp
1955 Thunderbird 292 275 hp Y Block
1956 Ford Victoria 292 Y block

1957 Mercury 2dr Wagon "Battle Wagon" drag car 
1957 Thunderbird Glass body Tube Chassis drag car 333 cu in 500 hp Ford Y block
1961 Starliner 390/375 clone
1965 GT40 tribute w/FE
1966 Falcon Pro Touring project
Kaase Boss 547. 840 HP 698 Torque  pump gas
1992 BMW V-12 5.0
2001 Lincoln 5.4 4 cam.
1968 Cougar XR7