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happystang

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Starter recommendations?
« on: December 20, 2018, 11:36:32 PM »
Hi everyone,

I'm in need of a starter- I'd like to avoid the cheapo remanfucatured starters from O'reilys, I've have too many of those self destruct on Windsor motors.

Engine is a 428 FE (10.5:1 compression) with a toploader/184 tooth flywheel in a '68 mustang. I'll be using Hooker 6114 HKR Super Comp long tube headers. I've heard there have been fitment issues with these headers and those "clockable" mini starters?

I looked into the stock style Powermaster starters but the summit reviews state that people have issues with the nose of the starter hitting the flywheel.

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Re: Starter recommendations?
« Reply #1 on: December 21, 2018, 12:25:13 AM »
i have been through a lot of starters running hooker headers on my 390s and 428s.i have a napa starter on now for the last few years.its been good.ive had autozone-advance starters not even last for just a few starts.the napa starter is rebuilt,may not be the best but its been ok for me,and i noticed it was twice as heavy as the other two mentioned.
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Re: Starter recommendations?
« Reply #2 on: December 21, 2018, 04:11:53 AM »
I have a Powermaster stock style starter from summit
when it arrived it was in a opened and taped shut box.
So i thought, yet another time i got someones reject.
but seems to work fine, the only problem is the bolt
for the wire is pointing straight in to the stock shorty
headers so i had to cut it flush with the nut and only
got about 1/4 inch betwen bolt and header
But cranks fast both hot and cold



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Re: Starter recommendations?
« Reply #3 on: December 21, 2018, 05:28:54 AM »
I send Powermaster starters with all of my engines.
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Re: Starter recommendations?
« Reply #4 on: December 21, 2018, 07:52:01 AM »
https://www.jegs.com/i/JEGS/555/10007/10002/-1
For the price these seem to work fine, I have a couple of them in service.
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« Reply #5 on: December 21, 2018, 08:22:20 AM »
Are there any new American made starters available?  My Tilton Superstarter was made in the USA about 15 years ago.   It is still working great.  But I don't think Tilton still manufactures here.  Any USA made starters available?

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« Reply #6 on: December 21, 2018, 08:27:52 AM »
With the Powermaster starter, twice I've had to slightly clearance the nose housing to keep from hitting the flywheel. Not a big deal, just a few seconds with a die grinder took care of it. I've had pretty good luck with the Powermasters, until I went on Drag Week. When making 200-300 mile trips, it would get heat soaked during a fuel stop and didn't want to engage. I never had that problem on local shorter trips. I switched to the RobbMc mini-starter and never had an issue after that. It's a bit pricey, but a great starter. This on a '69 Mustang with Hooker headers.

I'll try to post a photo of the interference with the Powermaster....if Photobucket will allow me to.


As you can see, the interference is relatively minor, and easily fixed. That shot is before I added some clearance with the grinder.
« Last Edit: December 21, 2018, 08:34:02 AM by cjshaker »
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Re: Starter recommendations?
« Reply #7 on: December 21, 2018, 08:29:31 AM »
RobbMc Performance supposedly makes a good starter. I am going to probably go with one his since my
Powermaster only partially engages the flywheel on my set up.

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« Reply #8 on: December 21, 2018, 08:41:23 AM »
I've got 2 RobbMC starters and been happy with them. I couldn't say with 100% certainly that all the parts in his starers are American made, but at least it's a small American business.

Actually I have 3, but one is a 460 so it doesn't count here!

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« Reply #9 on: December 21, 2018, 09:48:17 AM »
I have two RobbMC starters ….one on each of my Starliners.  Absolutely no problems in ten years use with each of them.
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Re: Starter recommendations?
« Reply #10 on: December 21, 2018, 10:49:53 AM »
I wanted to use a robbmc, but they were. It available.
Powermaster ultra has worked flawlessly these three or so years.

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« Reply #11 on: December 21, 2018, 12:56:19 PM »
RobbMc says designed and manufactured in the USA. 

https://www.robbmcperformance.com/products/fordat_starter.html

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« Reply #12 on: December 21, 2018, 02:10:50 PM »
OK, precisely what happens inside when a starter is "heat soaked"?

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« Reply #13 on: December 21, 2018, 02:18:37 PM »
OK, precisely what happens inside when a starter is "heat soaked"?

https://www.knowyourparts.com/technical-resources/starting-and-charging/starter-will-not-crank-when-hot-heat-soak/

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edit:  oops.  wrong link.  fixed it.

Here's the part that is relevant, I think.

"This absorbed heat adds resistance to the electrical conductors inside the starter. The additional resistance results in the starter requiring more amperage than it normally does when cool. Once under-hood heat warms the battery, cables, and starter, a “tipping point” is reached concerning the overall amount of resistance a starter can accept (and still function
properly).
 
The TOTAL effect of all this unwanted resistance is a dramatically reduced current flow, which in turn means the starter is limited in current, and therefore either turns very slowly or not at all. The starter solenoid is equally vulnerable to this condition, and thus may not activate the starter at all."
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« Reply #14 on: December 21, 2018, 02:29:13 PM »
So, not an actual internal failure. First thing I'd try is doubling up the positive battery cable.