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What would be more interesting to see the results of?

7500 rpm hydraulic roller FE
49 (58.3%)
7500 rpm solid flat tappet FE build with low spring pressure and some "non-normal" parts combinations
35 (41.7%)

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Voting closed: August 14, 2018, 12:23:19 PM

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BigBlueIron

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Re: Poll: What would you rather see R&D on?
« Reply #90 on: August 16, 2018, 02:08:47 PM »
Someday valves will be actuated electromagnetically like injectors.  Then all hell will break loose.

That technology already exist and has for quite some time. It will eventually make it into a production market as cost comes down and reliability goes up for such pieces. One of the main reasons is there is no one to service such systems, but that too is changing.

Imagine having infinite instant adjustability over valve events all while eliminating moving parts and energy required to drive said parts. O mama!

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Re: Poll: What would you rather see R&D on?
« Reply #92 on: August 18, 2018, 12:19:20 PM »
I want 2500 hp, and an inspection sticker. (next build). I can do that with any number of engine platforms.....

Talk about "internet folklore"  ::)
And how long exactly do you think these "2500 hp" engines last? Stock blocks? Weeks, maybe? Otherwise, there is your $35k shortblock that you loathe. The world has no shortage of 2000+ hp engines these days, they just don't tell you about the buttloads of cash and/or big money sponsors that float them endless supplies of parts.

Bruh, things have changed. It's actually quite easy to do if you can afford it. I started a "drag week" fund where 5% of everything I make goes, back in 2014.  My point is, I could do it with an FE now too thanks to the fact we have several good heads to choose from nowadays, but I don't think it would live very long and would cost a fortune trying.  I wish we even had the parts available to begin with, to be able to live at that level for any appreciable amount of time. You can do a BBF or BBC and not have to worry much about sponsors. Just basic maintenance - it's called a turbo. I never mentioned stock block either...  That'd be ludicrous.  The stock LS blocks are holding 2K hp tho... Must be nice, eh?

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Re: Poll: What would you rather see R&D on?
« Reply #93 on: August 18, 2018, 12:30:54 PM »
Someday valves will be actuated electromagnetically like injectors.  Then all hell will break loose.

That technology already exist and has for quite some time.
Imagine having infinite instant adjustability over valve events all while eliminating moving parts and energy required to drive said parts. O mama!

It's out there and reliable.  BMW had a hydraulic setup on some of their motorcycle engines around 2000 for example.  There are no throttle blades/butterflies of any kind.  When you back off the gas, the valve lift actually decreases to reduce to an idle, on the fly.  How freaking cool is that? I was absolutely blown away the first time I saw a setup like that.
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Re: Poll: What would you rather see R&D on?
« Reply #94 on: August 18, 2018, 01:48:37 PM »
Yeah, the variable timing electrically activated valve engines will have to arrive.  And then a car will have a tiny two cylinder engine, turbocharged and be a battery hybrid vehicle.  Probably the engine will fit inside a suitcase.

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Re: Poll: What would you rather see R&D on?
« Reply #95 on: August 18, 2018, 04:22:21 PM »
lower rpm , maybe 5200 max , good low end , for heavy cars , trucks , maybe tow truck , trucks seem to be getting more and more popular . 50's , 60's and 70's trucks . just thinking out of my head , uh box .

We have no issues with hydraulic rollers and those rpms.  The issue comes with trying to pull "big boy" rpms with them.  I've seen some 6500 rpm hydraulic rollers here, but it takes some strategizing to get them to pull on up. 

I've actually got the hydraulic roller camshaft here for a higher rpm engine, but wanted to think outside the box a little more.

Brent, what's the limit rpm for hydraulic rollers, 6,500 and what brands will take them ?
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Re: Poll: What would you rather see R&D on?
« Reply #96 on: August 18, 2018, 06:53:32 PM »
Bruh, things have changed.

Really? And here I thought 60 year old passenger car engine technology was still the top rung on the ladder. I hadn't even heard of turbos until you mentioned them. Thanks for educating me, "bruh".  ::)
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Re: Poll: What would you rather see R&D on?
« Reply #97 on: August 20, 2018, 05:08:54 AM »
Bruh, things have changed.

Really? And here I thought 60 year old passenger car engine technology was still the top rung on the ladder. I hadn't even heard of turbos until you mentioned them. Thanks for educating me, "bruh".  ::)

Always has to be a XXX around the FE forums, huh?  I would never actually use the term "bruh" in the real world, but I figured it was appropriate sarcasm for the quality of your initial comment.  If you think 2500 hp and street able is internet folklore, you're only about a decade behind. Not too bad on your part, really.  It was done before then, but you were probably too busy packing animal fat into the bearings on your horse and buggy axle to keep up with things like that.
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Re: Poll: What would you rather see R&D on?
« Reply #98 on: August 20, 2018, 05:43:14 AM »
I'd love it if this very decent thread doesn't turn into a pissing match. 

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Re: Poll: What would you rather see R&D on?
« Reply #99 on: August 20, 2018, 06:40:40 AM »
X2......
1960 Starliner, 406-6V, TKO-600, 4.11 9"
1961 Starliner, 427 4V, SS700 5 speed, 4.56 9"
1968 F-100 SWB, 352 4V, C6, 3.25 9"
2012 Mustang, 226" V6, 6 speed auto, 3.31 8.8"

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Re: Poll: What would you rather see R&D on?
« Reply #100 on: August 20, 2018, 06:46:13 AM »
I'd love it if this very decent thread doesn't turn into a pissing match.

Not gonna happen on my part. He's not worth the time.
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Re: Poll: What would you rather see R&D on?
« Reply #101 on: August 20, 2018, 07:32:17 AM »
Really? And here I thought 60 year old passenger car engine technology was still the top rung on the ladder.

How many miles and how many passes do you now have on the 60 year old technology engine in the Mach?
Best ET?
I have a feeling that it hangs pretty well with some fairly expensive new stuff...

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Re: Poll: What would you rather see R&D on?
« Reply #102 on: August 20, 2018, 09:42:02 AM »
Really? And here I thought 60 year old passenger car engine technology was still the top rung on the ladder.

How many miles and how many passes do you now have on the 60 year old technology engine in the Mach?
Best ET?
I have a feeling that it hangs pretty well with some fairly expensive new stuff...

Well, 2 Drag Weeks and 2 FE Reunions, plus 2000+ street miles, so that'd be about 4000 miles and about 40 trips down the strip in about 2 1/2 years. My best ET so far is 12.1 here at home, but it should be in the 11's, if it had a better driver ::)  I keep wittling away at that 60' time. Still, not to shameful for a stock block, stock crank, unported heads, stock intake, factory carbs and 60 year old buggy technology.
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Re: Poll: What would you rather see R&D on?
« Reply #103 on: August 20, 2018, 09:58:00 AM »
If you upgraded to synthetic ox fat I’m sure we could get ya in the 11’s

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Re: Poll: What would you rather see R&D on?
« Reply #104 on: August 20, 2018, 10:07:55 AM »
If you upgraded to synthetic ox fat I’m sure we could get ya in the 11’s
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