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Re: Edelbrock fuel injection install
« Reply #30 on: September 20, 2020, 01:41:54 PM »
Well, today I got a full hour on the truck, and other than the miserable noisy pump, it just kept doing better and better.  So far I like what see

Some lessons

1 - Even if you think you are an EFI guy, you need to read the instructions LOL.  Not that it was an incredible thing, but the tuning you can do to help learning is by looking at short term fuel correction, you have two choices a global adjustment to "trim" or specific throttle positions.  Once I read that it was pretty darn easy to get to some significant changes and then the truck just drove nice

2 - I had a bad O2 sensor, new in the box, which is not uncommon with this kit (although I sat on this project for over a year so certainly no warranty) It was intermittent, so I was sure it was wiring, tested by their standards and it always passed.  However it would go off line intermittently, finally I bought a Chinese 22 dollar O2 sensor just to see if it would do the same thing, and VOILA, runs like a dream.  I am not sure I will trust this cheapo, it heats a little slower and who knows if it's calibrated, but man it's running better

In the end, I'd say this is a decent setup, I can't say that a Sniper or FITech throttle body with ignition control wouldn't be just as good, but this is good and comes with a lot of neat stuff

Next step is to find a quiet fuel pump, this is like a Holley Blue mixed with a nest of angry robot hornets and a screaming 3 year old.....LOL it needs to go
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- 70 Fastback Mustang, 489 cid FE, Victor, SEFI, Erson SFT cam, TKO-600 5 speed, 4.11 9 inch.
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Re: Edelbrock fuel injection install
« Reply #31 on: September 20, 2020, 02:12:32 PM »
  A question, could that pump be so noisy due to being dead headed?  I wonder if a return line would quiet it down some. Rob
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Re: Edelbrock fuel injection install
« Reply #32 on: September 20, 2020, 05:50:21 PM »
It has a return, it’s just dead headed after the regulator

The company told me I picked the noisiest one they had, and that’s why it didn’t say “quiet” in the description.....it didn’t say noisy either! ::)
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- 70 Fastback Mustang, 489 cid FE, Victor, SEFI, Erson SFT cam, TKO-600 5 speed, 4.11 9 inch.
- 71 F100 shortbed 4x4, 461 cid FE, headers, Victor Pro-flo EFI, Comp Custom HFT cam, 3.50 9 inch

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Re: Edelbrock fuel injection install
« Reply #33 on: September 21, 2020, 07:20:59 PM »

1 - Given this is a street system, you'd assume heater and gauges.  It'd be very easy over the long run to have two water ports on the Victor, even if you did it on both the EFI and normal Victor, or at least a drillable boss


Wait a minute...  So there isn't anywhere to hook up heater hose?  So how would you run a heater?
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Re: Edelbrock fuel injection install
« Reply #34 on: September 21, 2020, 07:37:17 PM »
There are 2 NPT bungs, like every other FE intake, My point was I needed three total, coolant temperature sensor, heater and gauge

You’d be fine if you didn’t have a heater or if you chose not to have a gauge but I wantEd all three so welded a bung in
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- 70 Fastback Mustang, 489 cid FE, Victor, SEFI, Erson SFT cam, TKO-600 5 speed, 4.11 9 inch.
- 71 F100 shortbed 4x4, 461 cid FE, headers, Victor Pro-flo EFI, Comp Custom HFT cam, 3.50 9 inch

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Re: Edelbrock fuel injection install
« Reply #35 on: September 27, 2020, 02:39:47 PM »
I've never heard a fuel pump that sounds like a leaf blower. I can't believe they actually sell that thing.

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Re: Edelbrock fuel injection install
« Reply #36 on: September 28, 2020, 01:46:57 PM »
Carter makes a really nice little external mount pump that is very quiet and we've used it to supply a 600HP package with zero issues for a few years of service now.  Historically I have fed both bank's from the rear and connected them up front, with the regulator mounted to the passenger side front rail.  I don't know if it really matters, but I think it might have been John Meaney who told me to do it that way nearly 20 years ago and I keep doing it.

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Re: Edelbrock fuel injection install
« Reply #37 on: September 28, 2020, 02:19:20 PM »
I typically go through the rails and regulate the return/exit, this Edelbrock system dead heads the rails, likely fine for 490 HP, I don't have a good reason knowing the OEM is happy with a deadhead rail, but I don't love it.  Game plan at some later date is to plumb it the way I normally do them, and see how the fuel trim tables change.  If they don't, it didn't matter

As far as the pump, I change my mind on my own stuff a lot, but I think I am going to end up with the big Weldon with a -8AN feed.  Likely this spring, bringing the Mustang in soon, rattle chasing and prep for the big motor
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- 70 Fastback Mustang, 489 cid FE, Victor, SEFI, Erson SFT cam, TKO-600 5 speed, 4.11 9 inch.
- 71 F100 shortbed 4x4, 461 cid FE, headers, Victor Pro-flo EFI, Comp Custom HFT cam, 3.50 9 inch

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Re: Edelbrock fuel injection install
« Reply #38 on: November 08, 2020, 06:40:44 PM »
Installed a Pro-Flo 4 on my Z2363 and got it started today. Does the table report real-time telemetry?  Didn't seem obvious like a Sniper injection.
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Re: Edelbrock fuel injection install
« Reply #39 on: November 08, 2020, 10:00:31 PM »
There is a gauge view that tells you all it can tell you

The only command it will show is the amount it’s trying to correct SP% I think
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- 70 Fastback Mustang, 489 cid FE, Victor, SEFI, Erson SFT cam, TKO-600 5 speed, 4.11 9 inch.
- 71 F100 shortbed 4x4, 461 cid FE, headers, Victor Pro-flo EFI, Comp Custom HFT cam, 3.50 9 inch

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Re: Edelbrock fuel injection install
« Reply #40 on: November 10, 2020, 05:28:48 PM »
Go to 1:51 and watch me fat finger, you can see the different live gauge displays and how I got there

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bmVY8NeWJgU&feature=youtu.be
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- 70 Fastback Mustang, 489 cid FE, Victor, SEFI, Erson SFT cam, TKO-600 5 speed, 4.11 9 inch.
- 71 F100 shortbed 4x4, 461 cid FE, headers, Victor Pro-flo EFI, Comp Custom HFT cam, 3.50 9 inch

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Re: Edelbrock fuel injection install
« Reply #41 on: November 10, 2020, 06:36:42 PM »
Thanks Ross.  I had been there on my tablet, but none of the data was updating.  I called Edelbrock tech and they said the issue was the bluetooth disconnecting.  The signal may drop, but the green "check" will still show, making it seem that the bluetooth is still connected.  The fix was to press the green check to disconnect, then reconnect.

So far so good.  Start up was easy, now time to play with it!

One of the areas I'm a bit concerned about is sharing the TPS signal with my Quick 4 4R70W transmission controller.  The Quick 4 manufacturer sold me an interface harness with a resistor (and other components?) that they say should keep the Pro Flo 4 happy.  Edelbrock tech is insistent that the TPS signal is sacred and cannot be compromised.  Will find out soon enough.
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1966 Fairlane GT, Silver Blue/Black 496/C4 (9.93@133)
1966 Fairlane GT, Nightmist Blue/Black 465/TKO (11.41@122)
1966 Fairlane GTA Conv, Antique Bronze/Black, 418EFI/C6
1966 F250 C/S, Rangoon Red, 445/T19
1965 Falcon Futura 4-door, Turquoise, EF! Z2363/4R70W

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Re: Edelbrock fuel injection install
« Reply #42 on: November 10, 2020, 09:04:30 PM »
Thanks Ross.  I had been there on my tablet, but none of the data was updating.  I called Edelbrock tech and they said the issue was the bluetooth disconnecting.  The signal may drop, but the green "check" will still show, making it seem that the bluetooth is still connected.  The fix was to press the green check to disconnect, then reconnect.

So far so good.  Start up was easy, now time to play with it!

One of the areas I'm a bit concerned about is sharing the TPS signal with my Quick 4 4R70W transmission controller.  The Quick 4 manufacturer sold me an interface harness with a resistor (and other components?) that they say should keep the Pro Flo 4 happy.  Edelbrock tech is insistent that the TPS signal is sacred and cannot be compromised.  Will find out soon enough.

Most "plug and play" EFI systems I've dealt with all say it's sudden instant death if you tap into the TPS signal but as long as it's done well as far as the wiring splices/connectors go then I haven't had any issues. Although I haven't tried it with this version of MSD injection, I have with FAST, FiTech, Sniper, etc. So far had pretty good luck.

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Re: Edelbrock fuel injection install
« Reply #43 on: November 11, 2020, 05:54:31 PM »
Thanks Ross.  I had been there on my tablet, but none of the data was updating.  I called Edelbrock tech and they said the issue was the bluetooth disconnecting.  The signal may drop, but the green "check" will still show, making it seem that the bluetooth is still connected.  The fix was to press the green check to disconnect, then reconnect.

So far so good.  Start up was easy, now time to play with it!

One of the areas I'm a bit concerned about is sharing the TPS signal with my Quick 4 4R70W transmission controller.  The Quick 4 manufacturer sold me an interface harness with a resistor (and other components?) that they say should keep the Pro Flo 4 happy.  Edelbrock tech is insistent that the TPS signal is sacred and cannot be compromised.  Will find out soon enough.

I have grown to hate that tablet.  Sometimes it links, sometimes it doesn't, sometimes it will work across the shop.  The thing to remember, if anything isn't working, shut the key off and wait until you hear the click from the relay. the click is the magic rest LOL

We have asked for Iphone support, no deal, I may try a different tablet and see what happens
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- 70 Fastback Mustang, 489 cid FE, Victor, SEFI, Erson SFT cam, TKO-600 5 speed, 4.11 9 inch.
- 71 F100 shortbed 4x4, 461 cid FE, headers, Victor Pro-flo EFI, Comp Custom HFT cam, 3.50 9 inch

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Re: Edelbrock fuel injection install
« Reply #44 on: November 11, 2020, 07:01:45 PM »
Curious where you ended up on your AFR targets.  Seems the cruise setting would want to be above 14.0, but not sure how far.  My Z2363 shows between 11 and 12" vacuum at idle, which is a bit more than I expected it would.  Does that make sense for it to still have a "Race" base map?  I'm going to bump up the idle timing from 15 to 18 and see how it likes it.  My FEs all seem to like a lot of timing; would imaging the small block would be similar.
1966 Fairlane GT, Silver Blue/Black 496/C4 (9.93@133)
1966 Fairlane GT, Nightmist Blue/Black 465/TKO (11.41@122)
1966 Fairlane GTA Conv, Antique Bronze/Black, 418EFI/C6
1966 F250 C/S, Rangoon Red, 445/T19
1965 Falcon Futura 4-door, Turquoise, EF! Z2363/4R70W