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Re: A 67 Mustang - The Assembly Process Begins, slowly!!
« Reply #75 on: August 19, 2018, 07:21:04 PM »
Thanks Bruce

Working at swapping the coil springs and found a crack in the driver side shock tower. This picture is from the fender well side. The underlined area is what I knew about and tried to weld years ago from the engine compartment side before it went to the body shop. A testament to my welding skills, right??

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The next picture is what is looks like in the engine bay today.

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I would rather have someone with better welding skills weld it up this time versus changing out a shock tower. I wonder how much worse it can get if I drive it 600 to 800 miles before it gets welded?
 
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Re: A 67 Mustang - The Assembly Process Begins, slowly!!
« Reply #76 on: August 20, 2018, 01:46:07 AM »
I don't think those cracks will get much worse in 6-800 miles.
If you don't plan to chase a black Charger in the hills of S.F :D
Those are fatigue cracks and the metall around them is fatigued
so i would recommend to at least cut out the area and weld in a
patch of new metall. Yes i know not fun starting to weld in patches
in a newly restored car :( so.......
What i did on many shocktower Fords to eliminate the flexing there
is. I cut out a 1/8 plate that fit inside the shocktower under the A-arm
mountingpoint, 45 degrees out to the outer corner of the framerail.
And copied the reinforcement in enginebay from the cobrajet mustangs
that goes around the "corner" of the shocktower.
If you understand what I'm trying to explain



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Re: A 67 Mustang - The Assembly Process Begins, slowly!!
« Reply #77 on: August 20, 2018, 07:12:51 AM »
I cut out a 1/8 plate that fit inside the shocktower under the A-arm
mountingpoint, 45 degrees out to the outer corner of the framerail.
And copied the reinforcement in enginebay from the cobrajet mustangs
that goes around the "corner" of the shocktower.
If you understand what I'm trying to explain

Heo, sounds like your describing the big block reinforcements on 69-70 Mustangs, and the outer shock tower reinforcement that Ford recommended in their Trans Am book. Both good ideas.
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Re: A 67 Mustang - The Assembly Process Begins, slowly!!
« Reply #78 on: August 20, 2018, 08:06:45 AM »
Yes, mayby all 69-70 BB mustangs had it. And a friend also had them on a -69 Boss 302
It is possible i saw the outer reinforcement in the Trans Am book i have it here somewhere
a verry god book as i remember it



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Re: A 67 Mustang - The Assembly Process Begins, slowly!!
« Reply #79 on: August 20, 2018, 12:08:39 PM »
Heo, I read the post at 5:40 this morning but wasn’t awake enough to comprehend. It does make sense now. 

Agreed, it’s no fun to weld on the car at this point, but it will be the best thing moving forward. I want to be able to drive without worry of parts falling off.  :o

Sounds like what started in 69 was to meant to fix the 67-68 design flaws.

 I have a shop in mind for the welding that works on Mustangs. Will have to see what their approach is on how much stuff needs to be removed for the repair.

Thanks for the input guys.
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« Reply #80 on: August 20, 2018, 03:33:09 PM »
Actualy i remember now i saw a -68 Mustang that was said to be
a Cobra jet that had those round the corner reinforcements  like
69-70 BB mustangs.  Wounder what happened to that car...when i saw
it mayby 15-20 years ago it had sat without engine since late 70s.
The owner had a 500 mercedes coupe i was looking at for the wife
and the mustang was in a corner covered with dust i wanted to buy
that instead but not for sale........
Any 68 CJ owner that can confirm the xtra round the corner reinforcemet
on shock towers?



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« Reply #81 on: September 01, 2018, 12:30:35 AM »
The passenger side coil spring and shock went in Sunday evening without much issue once I got it clocked right on coil spring compressor. And man that’s an eerie feeling with that much stored energy.
 
The driver side went in on Monday evening, but it didn’t go willingly!!
 
Tuesday morning was an appointment with B and B Tire for a front end alignment. The drive over was sketchy, but I got there without issue. There was a night and day difference with the test drive afterwards. Here’s the car on the rack.

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Left the shop and less than a mile later, I was in a parking lot out of gas!!! Guess the gas gauge was more accurate than I thought. Glad I’m a AAA gold member, 8 tows a year up to 100 miles for me and the better half. It's money well spent!!
 
While I'm trying to figure out that I'm out of gas, yea, should be obvious, right? There was an extreme amount of vacuum on the tank, to the point it looks to have collapsed the tank some. It’s no longer flat across the bottom. Once home, I drained the gas tank, about 2 gallons, and tweaked the sending unit. Got enough gas in it to make it back to the station for more fuel. It’s a 20 gallon and tank and spitting back like its full at about 15 gallons.
 
Tuesday evening was a new set of spark plugs in preparation of carb work on Wednesday. Currently, it cranks cold and goes to an idle without a choke. Then the fumes will burn your eyes once its warmed up.
 
Wednesday, A buddy from work came over to help with the carb. We drove it around to get it warm, then made the turn onto the feeder of the toll road and hit it from a roll in first gear, all of second, and into third. Evan’s comment was "it should have been better". Told him I had to look at the linkage, I don't think it's opening all the way.
 
Back at the house, I worked on the linkage, it was getting about 1/2 half way open. Details, details. Evan played with the carb. He dropped the jets sizes on the primary & secondary plates and played with the idle screws. Now it’s more cold natured when it first cranks but doesn’t burn your eyes when it gets warm. Took the same route back to the feeder. Did the same run through the gears and was amazed how fast I exceeded the speed limit!! Evan was more impressed.
 
Took Sheryl out later that evening for drive to show the progress. She was excited, scared, laughing, and telling me to slow the hell down. Thankfully, she was too busy hanging on to hit me. We did manage to drive it about 25 miles. The speedometer is within 2 MPH of the speed in my Waze app.
 
Thursday evening was spent on the A/C controls.  Programming the controls was not difficult, but it took me 45 minutes of trouble shooting to figure out I never hooked up the keyed hot!! Can’t tell ya why I didn’t finish it, but I bet I had a good reason at the time. Also found a tab on the starter switch that’s hot when the key is off and in accessory while I’m trying to re-install it in the form a sparking sound. Got the battery disconnected and the switch back out, figured out the tab in the picture was hot, and slipped a insulated flat blade connector over it. Now its all back together.

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Friday night, we drove it to dinner with a friend that retired last year. It was a little un-nerving to leave it in the parking lot by itself. I did take the coil wire with me though. Bruce that did the body and paint work told me to never worry about someone stealing it, his words were “its green and it’s a coupe, no one wants it”. We drove it around some more. Stopped for gas and later for custard.

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Saturday was charging the air conditioner and watching the temperature. Its blowing cold air with my 4 foot shop fan blowing at the radiator. I don’t have a gauge that shows the actual degrees, so I use a infrared gun on the intake side of the thermostat. Its running in the 190 to 195 range with a 195 degree thermostat and one hole drilled in it. Don’t remember what size the hole is now. Moved the fan out of the way and stuck a thermometer in the radiator, it went to 205 / 210 idling in the driveway. Ambient temp was 95, the car was in the shade, no air movement except for the fan blade. Going down the road, the temp gauge rides where it has without the air conditioner.

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The first test drive with the windows up and this song comes on the radio.

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Sunday was spent washing and cleaning. We drove it to dinner, had to stop for gas again, it’s beginning to become a reoccurring theme. And I left the coil wire on it this time, but we were sitting outside and I could watch it. Later, I took it to the local car gathering at the nearby Freddie’s Frozen custard. It was a small turnout with about 8 cars, mostly Mustangs.

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I’ve drove it about 175 miles so far. The new list of things that need attention:
Check charge on AC, the air isn’t as cold as it should be when going down the road. It also seems like it satisfies the thermostat too soon and cuts out.
There are rattles in the door, other area seem OK
The Flow masters have to go. No telling what the noise from them is hiding.
Install trunk latch so I don’t have to use a screw driver
Need a better air cleaner
Valve covers are leaking oil.
Tires rub on big bumps
Gas Tank
 
Was out of town for work for part of the week and didn’t get a chance to do anything with the car till today. Managed to get the steering wheel aligned so its straight when the car is going straight. Took a rubber mallet to the front fenders to roll the lips in for tire clearance. The left rear fender lip was massaged too. Took a test drive the fender roll and empty the tank more so there’s less gas to drain. A couple of bumps later and it looks like I have clearance for now. Decided to extend the drive to the hardware store for small machine bolts to mount the back-up camera. Fired the car up to leave and the clutch goes to the floor!! I now have a puddle of fluid under the car. Time for another wrecker ride to the house.
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Re: A 67 Mustang - The Assembly Process Begins, slowly!!
« Reply #82 on: September 01, 2018, 08:27:40 AM »
Yes, Heo you did likely see that weldment in Ford's 69-70 Boss 302 Chassis Manual. Did the same on my '70 and added more stiffeners per the book. Did skip the full roll cage though!


Yes, mayby all 69-70 BB mustangs had it. And a friend also had them on a -69 Boss 302
It is possible i saw the outer reinforcement in the Trans Am book i have it here somewhere
a verry god book as i remember it
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Re: A 67 Mustang - The Assembly Process Begins, slowly!!
« Reply #83 on: September 01, 2018, 09:58:20 AM »
Hey John, in spite of all the teething problems (normal IMO) I'll bet it's nice to see an empty space in the garage where the Mustang used to sit. Being able to move it under its own power is a big step!  Just gotta keep gas in that thing  :o
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« Reply #84 on: September 05, 2018, 09:58:49 AM »
Beauty, yeah ya always have those little annoying things to do after you drive it for alittle. But the main thing is all your hard work is now paying off. That’s a nice green coupe ya got there, Bruce must be a Chevy guy :) 8)

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« Reply #85 on: September 06, 2018, 12:41:33 AM »
Beauty, yeah ya always have those little annoying things to do after you drive it for alittle. But the main thing is all your hard work is now paying off. That’s a nice green coupe ya got there, Bruce must be a Chevy guy :) 8)

HAHA, Bruce does own a Chevy truck, but his job and passion are restoring Mustangs. He restored the Pink big block mustang that appeared on Sticker Shock earlier this year.

Thanks guys, Its getting there. After the fiasco with the TO bearing, I have used up my 4 tows and started working on Sheryl's.  ???
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« Reply #86 on: October 05, 2018, 09:32:34 AM »
Short version of the clutch pedal is possible vibration issues that started around 50 MPH caused the hydraulic throw out bearing adjusting collar to back off. Front tires were out of balance, the driveshaft was good, and the transmission was rubbing on the cross member. After laying under the car and moving the weights around on the Centerforce, I decided to replace it with a McCleod. I don’t know that it added to the problem, but it was worth the hassle of not pulling it again. I am now good up to 80 MPH, so good enough for now. See the links for more details. I am still working at drive line angles. More on that later.

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http://fepower.net/simplemachinesforum/index.php?topic=6408.0


Sorry for the lack of pictures, I was in a time crunch and didn’t take the time to capture the moment!!

I got the factory window trim moldings straightened and polished. I think I scared the
guy I scheduled to get the glass sealed and trim installed when I told him how much I spent. He went to looking for reasons to not do it. Told me that the clips that all the suppliers sell are not right. Should have been green, not black. After he left, I decided to do it myself.

After researching and watching videos, I gave it a whirl. How bad can it be, right? With help from Sheryl and the brother in law, we got both front and back out and back in with sealer without screwing them up. I used sealer that not supposed to dry hard. That sealer is like the white pipe dope that Plummer’s and Sprinkler fitter’s use......just open it and it can get everywhere!! Since it was up on jack stands with the transmission laying under it, I passed on one of the video tip of using a water hose to check for leaks prior to installing the trim. I didn’t want the garage floor covered with that much water. In hindsight, I should have.
One of the tips for the molding clips was to use a pair of pliers to tweak them just a bit to remove some of the tension prior to installing. “Makes the trim easier to go on” they said!! Since my clips were already on, I used a forked trim tool to open them up just a bit. Turned out to be too much on the front glass......there wasn’t enough tension left in the clips to keep the trim in place. Had to change most of the front clips out after spreading the sealer all around the glass. Talk about a mess!!
The trim went on again without too much fuss. It looks pretty good too.

The brother in-law helped me get the clutch and transmission back in the car along with the new Borla mufflers on the Saturday before the trip. Did some grinding on the transmission cross member cause it was rubbing the transmission case.





Was still in the process of bleeding the clutch when he had to leave that night. It was really being a pain and I didn’t get it done till Sunday.

Next up was the gas tank. It was a little collapsed from the gas cap not venting. Drained the gas, pinched off the gas line with vise grips, left the cap closed, regulated the air pressure down to 15 PSI and inflated the tank through the drain plug. It was pretty cool to see it expand back. I should have took a video.

A couple of pages and years back, I took a mallet and chunk of wood to level out the filler next in the tank. Turns out, this is a bad idea. I was more worried about getting the tank matched to the filler neck. The result is that level area is now the lowest point on the top side of the tank. Air gets trapped and the tank won’t get a full as it should!! I used some 2 x 4’s and a piece of all thread rod to raise it back up.

Drove it to work on Monday, September 10th and it wasn’t as bad as I thought it would be for dealing with the other drivers in Houston rush hour traffic. Vibration now starting at 60. Yay progress. It also rained that day and I found water in the floors. ☹️ So much for getting the glass sealed.



The weather was too bad to drive on Tuesday so it stayed in the garage. After work, I took a look at the throw out bearing and it looked like it hadn’t moved. I pulled the cross member for more grinding and went for another drive. Picked up a little more speed, and I got a chance to drive it in the rain.
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« Reply #87 on: March 23, 2019, 01:02:26 AM »
Update from August 31 post on the TO DO list

Check charge on AC, the air isn’t as cold as it should be when going down the road. It also seems like it satisfies the thermostat too soon and cuts out. Charge is good. work in progress
There are rattles in the door, other area seem OK. Took care of prior to Bash with some of the wire loom cover over the actuator arms
The Flow masters have to go. No telling what the noise from them is hiding.  Borla's installed before the Bash, I can't say that they will stay for Michigan
Install trunk latch so I don’t have to use a screw driver. Installed during the Bash
Need a better air cleaner Picked one up from Steve's Mustang in Waller before the Bash
Valve covers are leaking oil. Both chrome valve covers installed prior to Lucky's Rod Run and no more oil leaks.
Tires rub on big bumps Still an issue at the end of February
Gas Tank Popped out before the Bash


Replaced all of the spring clamps on the heater hoses with worm drive clamps after the Bash. No more hoses popping apart.

The Grab A Tracks got installed and I was surprised it picked up about 5/8 of ride height. Took a picture for a  side by side comparison, there is a slight gap toward the front eye on the old spring. You couldn't see that isolator when I put the spring packs back together after blasting and painting.

 

 
 

 
If I ever go this far with a car again, I will start with new springs and leave the old stuff for the scrap pile.

Westside Upholstery installed all the seat covers and cleaned up the rear seat frame. The fronts look really great and are very comfortable. What I wasn't counting on is the new seat foam adding about an inch to the height of the seat. With the driver seat being powered, the inch is not much of an issue. The passenger seat is  more of an issue since its manual and sits up higher than the driver. The back seat looks really good. Not sure how comfortable it will be, not much room for me back there.

 



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« Reply #88 on: March 23, 2019, 01:03:32 AM »
I got tired of hearing the alternator belt squeal at start up. I couldn’t keep it tight enough for very long and took MS advice to ordered the HiPo pulley for the 3G. It went on before Lucky’s Rod Run, but it wasn’t necessarily a “bolt on” upgrade. The pulley hit the housing before it bottomed out on the shaft. Quick measuring said I needed about .030 to make up the difference. So, I cut washers out of an old license plate and flashing from my gutters. The downside was I had less than a full nut to to secure it.  Belt squeal at start up is now gone. Recently, I took the alternator & pulley to the Houston Engine and Balance to have it machined to fit. Jeff took enough off the back side to fit without washers and enough off the front for a full nut. The pulleys line up very well too.















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While it was on jack stands, I pulled the transmission cross member and found more witness marks where it was rubbing the transmission. A little more grinding and a shot of black paint, time for a test drive!! After a couple of stints around 90 on the freeway, it looks like all my vibrations are gone. But there is still a noise, it changes too. It has similarities to the sound of the bad axle shaft we had in our DD van years ago, but it’s not a constant roar. I guess you could say it changes volume at a steady speed.

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« Reply #89 on: March 23, 2019, 01:04:24 AM »
I borrowed a speedometer to learn how to reset the mileage. After watching a you tube video, it wasn’t that difficult. I got mine out of the car and set it to the mileage it should be from getting it running. Easy peasy.....then I blew out some dust that I saw in the mechanism. I didn’t use an  air hose or can of air, more like use your mouth to blow out a candle!!! Saw some stuff fly out, did it again, more stuff.......turns out the stuff was the numbers from my trip meter!!!!
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