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Non-FE Discussion Forum / Re: F-250 locking differential
« on: June 24, 2026, 09:02:23 AM »
There's a scenario with the Detroit locker that I cannot figure.  Let's say I'm pulling a truck with trailer combo that grosses 8 ton.  I'm on a marginal traction surface...slick grass, snow, whatever..  I'm in low gear because I'm in a driveway, field, etc and both rear tires are working to keep me moving.  Now I need to make a 45 degree or more turn.  How does the outside tire increase speed so it can unlock?  And if it can unlock, how to I keep moving? 

Remember, this is with a 2wd F250...I believe that's what the OP has.

My daily driver is a 1990 F250 2wd, 7.3L IDI diesel, with the Sterling 10.25" rear end and a Yukon Grizzly locking differential (The Yukon version of a Detroit Locker)
I have over 100,000 miles using this Yukon Grizzly in all weather, and most off road, driving conditions.
In your scenario a Detroit Locker would stay locked because of the torque applied from the engine, as it works to move the vehicle, will keep the locker locked.
The differential action of a Detroit Locker only happens when the torque forces are low, otherwise that differential will remain locked due to its ratcheting style design.
A Detroit Locker is locked the vast majority of the time by design because it remains locked until the correct low torque conditions allow it to unlock.

In order to turn the truck, physics dictate the front tires must overcome the forward driving forces pushing the truck and trailer forward... in this case both rear tires.
In your scenario four things can happen.
1) Both rear tires break loose because they do not have enough traction to overcome the load... You are stuck until better traction is achieved.
2) Both rear tires have enough traction to cause understeer/push, and your truck does not turn as effectively as it otherwise would... but you are moving.
3) Both rear tires are receiving power, but slipping somewhat, causing oversteer/fishtail... The rear end steps out some, but you are moving.
4) Both rear tires get traction, and the front tires have enough traction, and you drive away without issue.

Based on your description, and example, you do not fully understand the way a Detroit Locker works in a vehicle.... which is pretty common, so you are in a normal place.

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Non-FE Discussion Forum / Re: F-250 locking differential
« on: June 23, 2026, 08:04:26 AM »
Not trying to sell truetracs but am curious why would one choose a detroit locker/grizzly locker over a truetrac.  I think of the lockers as more for dedicated offroad/rock climbing.

You'll never know a truetrac is there (no noise, no weird tire wear, no unlock scenarios), it will last longer than most trucks, and in the odd chance one tire has zero traction you can make your tire that has traction spin by feathering the parking brake...I've done that.

Jay has a good reply regarding Detroit Locker differentials. And his mention of the overblown reputation concerning Detroit Lockers and online lore is spot on... WAAAAY overblown concerning the negatives of a Detroit Locker as compared to the hundreds of thousands of miles driven using a Detroit Locker I have experienced.

I fully believe part of the overblown lore stems from many vehicle owners not being well versed in how to actually build and modify chassis and suspension parts properly so they result in various inequities they built into their off roader, hot rod, collector car, or whatever via poor design and application and mechanical work and then blame the Detroit Locker for the weird driving results.

In my post I did state the various things associated with using a Detroit locker, both from a toy vehicle use, and daily drive vehicle point of view, because I want to be as honest as I can be when making recommendations. What I did not post are some of the real life issues I have witnessed when people complain about how poorly a Detroit Locker drive... Perspective is everything here and this is something you don't get with the vast majority of online reviews, posts and comments, regardless of the literal content.

For instance, a guy I know will strongly advise against running a Detroit Locker based on his direct experience. His experience is real, but perspective matters.
What you don't know is his direct experience, while real, comes from the perspective of a 1966 Chevelle running a home built 4-link rear suspension, a 600+HP big block, a 4spd manual... and running wrinkle wall drag slicks on the street, because this was his street race toy back in the late 1980's early 1990's. That car was really fast, and it was a handful to drive on the street too.

Another guy I knew had a K20 Blazer with Detroit Lockers in the front and rear differentials, and he bitched constantly about how horribly that thing drove because of the Detroit Lockers.
What most people never knew was that K20 was running 44" tall TSL Swamper tires, using a really high lift kit, and a bunch of cheaply done modifications to get it all to fit, all coupled to a 500 HP engine and mainly used for off road screwing around... But it was licensed and insured for the road so he drove it on the road even though he should not have.

My point... when reading the reviews about Detroit Lockers you really need to understand the perspective of the writer of the review because often, they are driving a poorly executed vehicle that would have driven terrible no matter what differential was installed.

The rear tires will wear differently than a vehicle with an open differential, but that does not mean they wear out super quick. I'm still getting 50,000+ miles out of my tires when using a Detroit Locker... Unless of course the tires are very soft compound. But normal road tires last a long time without issue (I do maintain proper inflation pressures and rotate tires regularly and this has proven to maximize tire life and use over the tires treadwear range) But they do wear differently than a vehicle not using a Detroit Locker differential.

The differential does make some noise, but once you know the noise is normal it merely becomes part of the operation of a Detroit Locker with little clicks and pops here and there... It lets you know it is still working while not being intrusive.
The locker does give rise to some driving differences, most notably when traversing long, sweeping curves, but this too becomes just part of normal driving with a locker and before too long the actions are just normal routine.

The HUGE plus of a Detroit Locker is the set it and forget it aspect.
Of all the various differentials I have driven over the years NONE of them are as durable, or as consistent, as a Detroit Locker.

Install a Detroit Locker correctly, and do the required lube change maintenance, and the next time you need to mess with it will be when the carrier bearings need replacement, or you literally break the differential in some manner through hard abuse.

The Eaton True-Trac is a good Torsen style differential, and it does work well. But it is not as consistently positive, or durable, as a Detroit Locker differential.

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Thanks for all the great information... I appreciate it.

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Non-FE Discussion Forum / Re: F-250 locking differential
« on: June 18, 2026, 02:15:35 PM »
Bob, years ago I fiddled around with various lockers in my 10.25" Sterling differential in my 1990 F250, (7.3LIDI diesel)
From the factory it had 3.55:1 gears with an open style differential and the short style pinion, and about 60,000 miles on the whole thing.
I needed both wheel traction for MN winter driving.

I tried using one of the Powertrax Lock-Right lockers (lunchbox lockers) and it installed really nice, but the first one did not work properly. I was basically a full spool.
Summit was great with the return and sent me another whole unit to try after some discussion proving to them I'm not an idiot and I did not screw things up during installation.

2nd Powertrax, same easy install, but by this time I had researched quite a lot about these things and knew more concerning various clearances.
I installed the 2nd unit only to find incorrect clearances. Everything fit and installed, but things were too tight... but I had all the new parts from the 1st unit too so I started measuring, swapping, fitting, and doing what I could to install this thing to "perfect" specs per the manufacturer.

Installed, measured, verified... driven... still a spool with no differential action under any conditions.
After much trial and error, I was eventually on the phone with one of the engineers at Powertrax.
We spoke about my issues, he agreed I was doing things correctly and saw a video I sent to him regarding clearances and such.
Finally, he admitted that some Lock-Rights just don't work well in certain differentials, with the Sterling 10.25" being one of them... Basically it is a gamble if it will work properly or not.

My next choice was to install a Yukon Grizzly (their version of a Detroit Locker).
That was more than 100,000 miles ago and the only issue I have had is the 3.73:1 gears are a tad howly.
I have changed the lube four times since initial install, with the first two happening after break in miles, then again after a long haul to the East coast and back, otherwise I has been normal maintenance.

I would recommend you get a Yukon Grizzly, install it, and forget it beyond lube changes.
Money well spent in the long run, and you get useful traction all the time.

There are a couple oddities with the Yukon locker.
1) Both rear tires wear a bit quicker than with the open differential due to the skidding around corners more than an open, but the Yukon does allow slipping the majority of the time
2) Both rear tires wear relatively flat across the tread due to the locker too... This makes tire rotation easy to remember each season (I use winter tires and summer tires)
3) Occasionally, under certain conditions, you will experience throttle steer as the locker engages/disengages or stays locked while cornering.
This had only been noticeable when the truck is unloaded, or lightly loaded in the bed only, and while traversing long curved on/off ramps like some highway exchanges use.
There is one I drive many times per week that is basically a long, sweeping curve at highway speed and this is where I experience this anomaly caused by the locker.
4) Sometimes, very rarely, I will hear/feel the differential locking/unlocking in a harsh manner when driving on really slippery winter roads when one rear tire has a lot more traction than the other. Usually when slowing to a stop and an intersection and when one tire is basically on ice and the other having some traction... but this is rare. The clunk, however, will get your attention.

Never have any of these anomalies caused anything even remotely dangerous in terms of driving response and feel. These are just things I notice because I notice these things. I think most people would just drive and never give it a second thought.

Anyway, I have over a hundred thousand daily driver miles with a Yukon Grizzley locker in my 2wheel drive, 3/4 ton truck and I believe it has made my truck better, and safer, to drive year round in Minnesota conditions.

I have heard some rumors that Yukon has changed in quality over the past few years so look into that because mine is pushing 15 years ago that I purchased and installed it.


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I will be finishing a car with a bare painted floor for a race car style interior.
In this case the color will be black if that color presents certain options.
What paint do you recommend for this interior floor?
Durability is the most important aspect.
Thanks, and have a great day.

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I will be finishing a car with a bare painted floor for a race car style interior.
In this case the color will be black if that color presents certain options.
What paint do you recommend for this interior floor?
Durability is the most important aspect.
Thanks, and have a great day.

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Non-FE Discussion Forum / Re: Sound deadening recommendations wanted
« on: April 11, 2026, 07:39:15 PM »
Alan, I had a 1977 F250 Super Cab (Ranger, XLT, Camper Special, if you want the full title)
I did some dB meter testing inside the cab to get a baseline and with the windows up, going down the highway at 60-65 mph, it was in the 98dB-100dB range.
This was a solid truck, in good condition, with good door seals and such.

Then I started messing around with things to get it quieted down. I started with Dynamat Xtreme.
I covered the entire roof where the interior trim and roof panel was located.
I covered the entire floor, including the extended cab area.
I covered the insides of the doors... Lots of Dynamat used in many areas.

This did produce some sound deadening, but the measurements were still in the 92dB range... meaning still loud while going down the highway.

I had highway rib tires by General (10 ply 265/75-16), and they were not loud in the least.
I did have a performance exhaust, but I built that to be quiet, so it was not too loud. Hooker Super Comp long tube headers, dual 3" pipes going into a single 5" mixing chamber, then into dual 3" pipes again, into dual GIANT Dynomax Super Turbo mufflers (3"in, 3" out) and then into dual 3" tailpipes exiting at the passenger rear quarter between the rear tire and the bumper. It flowed great but was very quiet too.

Still, the truck was loud, so I began trying to figure out why.

Through many iterations of covering, removing, and testing I found the major noise was plain old wind noise across all the various high spots of the trucks design.
Rain gutter noise, windshield trim noise, cowl vent noise... just pick a spot because these trucks are like a porcupine with all the things sticking into the air just enough to make wind noise.

But the worst, by far, were the extendable towing mirrors mounted on the doors with the factory bridge girder system... You know the style with the four mounts on the doors using stainless steel tubing.

I removed those as a test one day and BAM! Holy shit! The truck was suddenly quiet. It was not sedan quiet, but it was no longer so loud you needed to speak way up to talk with passengers.
I never would have guessed the mirror mounting system alone was making THAT much noise.

My advice, install the sound deadening materials because they do remove a good amount of general noise in these old trucks.
If you can, install a transmission/rear gears/tires that allow you to run down the highway around 2100-2300 rpm at speeds you will cruise most of the time (around here that is 65 mph)
This lowers the clatter and general noise of the truck too.

But, if your truck has the big eared towing mirrors, and you are looking to quiet things down, get those off the truck to decrease the interior noise immediately.

My problem, at least on an F250, is I like the look of the towing mirrors, especially the tall thin "California" style towing mirrors that would have been on the 1967.


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Private Classifieds / Re: Wanted: Fomoco oil filler cap
« on: March 20, 2026, 09:02:30 AM »
I've got one that was painted black at the factory and is now mostly surface rust and some old paint left.
I believe it was from a 1966 289 engine in a Galaxie 500.

You could get that chrome plated if you want to go that far.

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Non-FE Discussion Forum / Re: Starliner windshield
« on: March 18, 2026, 07:54:01 AM »
Royce, you might try figuring out how the shaded area is applied to the new windshield.
If it is cast into the laminate you are stuck with it, but if the shading is layered on the glass, either inside or outside, you may be able to buff the color off before installing the glass.

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Good thing you arrived where you want to be.
I have some machine tools in my shop, including lathes and a small mill, but taking those out of the mix I would have likely cut them down carefully with a hack saw and then finished them with a wide file to arrive where you are now.

Or I would have used a fiber cut off wheel on a Dremel to remove the bulk, then a file to finish the part.

Your new freeze plugs will look perfect once installed.

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FE Technical Forum / Re: Rotating assembly question
« on: March 18, 2026, 07:27:38 AM »
What I get from this is buy your engine parts and pay your engine building machinist to balance those parts during the build.

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Sometimes the inverse of the question helps to clear things up a bit.
The current question, "Is the secondary diaphragm balance tube needed when running dual quad carbs"?

The inverse question, why should I remove the diaphragm balance tube? followed by the question, what will I gain by removing the balance tube?

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FE Technical Forum / Re: 1974 Ford 427ci Pre-Chamber Experimental V8
« on: March 13, 2026, 09:51:19 AM »
Can you imagen changing the plugs on that thing when it's in a car   :)
With the plugs being like they are I would imagine changing them from below would be relatively easy... from on top, not so much.

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FE Technical Forum / Re: Electric water pump
« on: March 13, 2026, 09:37:24 AM »
A quality electric water pump will work great for slow engine speeds and city driving conditions because the electric pump pumps at full capacity if it is on.
Many electric water pumps do not have sufficient flow capacity to keep up with an engine when driving at higher engine rpms for extended periods of time, like going down the highway.

But if you are having cooling issues at idle speeds, or slow driving speeds, I would look at airflow through the radiator (heat transfer and dissipation) before I would go after the water pumps pumping capacity.

Concerning plumbing a heater hose into the thermostat housing, that sounds like a problematic situation because the heater hose water flow directly in the thermostat area would likely give false engine coolant temps to the thermostat, likely making the thermostat react as if the engine is cooler than it actually is.

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FE Technical Forum / Re: Unknown Heads
« on: March 13, 2026, 09:17:16 AM »
I'm not certain, but didn't someone in Canada make some aluminum FE heads in the mid to late 1990's?

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