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Re: Round 2 of 352 beating coming up.....
« Reply #15 on: January 10, 2021, 09:26:52 AM »
420 hp.

Bob, it made more than that with unported heads.  :D

Ouch! I actually missed the dyno test results in Round 1. O.k. how about 479 hp?
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Re: Round 2 of 352 beating coming up.....
« Reply #16 on: January 10, 2021, 10:19:23 AM »
485HP. Heck, the rocker upgrade has to be worth 10HP  ;)

How about Hilborn stacks with electronic injectors? Might give you an excuse to try wasted spark at some point.

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Re: Round 2 of 352 beating coming up.....
« Reply #17 on: January 10, 2021, 11:03:42 AM »
I witnessed a Weber test on a 427 at a local dyno shop  They really held it back vs a Performer RPM or a BT dual plane. Plus the guy spent hours getting them tuned.. Sure look neat though , and awesome throttle response
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Re: Round 2 of 352 beating coming up.....
« Reply #18 on: January 10, 2021, 11:50:38 AM »
I witnessed a Weber test on a 427 at a local dyno shop  They really held it back vs a Performer RPM or a BT dual plane. Plus the guy spent hours getting them tuned.. Sure look neat though , and awesome throttle response

It was the cat daddy over all the intakes in Jay's intake comparison on a 428.
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Re: Round 2 of 352 beating coming up.....
« Reply #19 on: January 10, 2021, 12:08:05 PM »
Something different? Maybe....

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Re: Round 2 of 352 beating coming up.....
« Reply #20 on: January 13, 2021, 09:47:09 PM »
Ok with JUST the head porting, vs the prior Torq 405 and HP 433:

JDC Ported Heads:
Torq 423 at 4600 +18
Powr 475 at 6100 +42

I then had some fun.
Thinking of Ford's 44-page performance summary & plan from Aug 68 over on fordfe.com - I noted, in all that 44 pages, Ford's lack of EXHAUST PORTS is not even mentioned ONCE. Even today, the Rule of Thumb is, "heads will "support" a HP of twice their intake flow". I suppose a good exhaust/intake ratio is implicit, but all the emphasis is in intakes, as is obvious in the 44-pages of Ford stuff.

So I went in the Gonkulator, pretended to be JDC, and ported JUST the exhausts ,not the intakes:
Torq 411 at 4600  +6
Powr 460 at 6200 +27
OK, so you dont get the WHOLE gain, but much of it.

Then I turned back the clock and ported JUST the intakes, not the exhausts:
Torq 417 at 4500 +12
Powr 433 at 6000  +0
Porting the intakes ALONE did almost nothing compared to porting the Exhaust ALONE.

Of course porting both was better!
It doesnt matter so much today, because now we have SBF, FE, Cleveland, and Lima heads that actually have real exhaust ports.
But back then, a recognition that the exhaust has to get out would have changed a lot.


And now some FUN history. Detroit Dragway, the Dirty-D in the 3-1-3, is long gone.
Luckily I got to run there, only once IIRC, and only because Milan was closed so we drove all the way to Sibley at Dix.

From pg539 of the HAMB Junior Stock thread.
I guess 352's run ok after all.
352/250 of 64-65 was an underrated combo.

I have ONE trophy from DD that looks like the ones in the picture. At least i got to run at DD and roll around under the cars in the sharp gravel.
Why couldn't they have rounded the edges of the gravel, you know, for comfort?
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Re: Round 2 of 352 beating coming up.....
« Reply #21 on: January 13, 2021, 10:37:44 PM »
I was going to offer a Joe ported Streetmaster but guess you already got one.  :)

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Re: Round 2 of 352 beating coming up.....
« Reply #22 on: January 14, 2021, 04:54:16 AM »
Ok with JUST the head porting, vs the prior Torq 405 and HP 433:

JDC Ported Heads:
Torq 423 at 4600 +18
Powr 475 at 6100 +42

I then had some fun.
Thinking of Ford's 44-page performance summary & plan from Aug 68 over on fordfe.com - I noted, in all that 44 pages, Ford's lack of EXHAUST PORTS is not even mentioned ONCE. Even today, the Rule of Thumb is, "heads will "support" a HP of twice their intake flow". I suppose a good exhaust/intake ratio is implicit, but all the emphasis is in intakes, as is obvious in the 44-pages of Ford stuff.

So I went in the Gonkulator, pretended to be JDC, and ported JUST the exhausts ,not the intakes:
Torq 411 at 4600  +6
Powr 460 at 6200 +27
OK, so you dont get the WHOLE gain, but much of it.

Then I turned back the clock and ported JUST the intakes, not the exhausts:
Torq 417 at 4500 +12
Powr 433 at 6000  +0
Porting the intakes ALONE did almost nothing compared to porting the Exhaust ALONE.

Of course porting both was better!
It doesnt matter so much today, because now we have SBF, FE, Cleveland, and Lima heads that actually have real exhaust ports.
But back then, a recognition that the exhaust has to get out would have changed a lot.


And now some FUN history. Detroit Dragway, the Dirty-D in the 3-1-3, is long gone.
Luckily I got to run there, only once IIRC, and only because Milan was closed so we drove all the way to Sibley at Dix.

From pg539 of the HAMB Junior Stock thread.
I guess 352's run ok after all.
352/250 of 64-65 was an underrated combo.

I have ONE trophy from DD that looks like the ones in the picture. At least i got to run at DD and roll around under the cars in the sharp gravel.
Why couldn't they have rounded the edges of the gravel, you know, for comfort?

Werb, it peaked at 6800 before.  You will never see peak hp rpm go down with extra head flow and the same camshaft. 
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Re: Round 2 of 352 beating coming up.....
« Reply #23 on: January 14, 2021, 07:50:59 AM »
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Re: Round 2 of 352 beating coming up.....
« Reply #24 on: January 14, 2021, 08:30:44 AM »
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Re: Round 2 of 352 beating coming up.....
« Reply #25 on: January 14, 2021, 09:45:46 AM »
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Re: Round 2 of 352 beating coming up.....
« Reply #26 on: January 14, 2021, 10:10:06 AM »
476hp
422tq

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Re: Round 2 of 352 beating coming up.....
« Reply #27 on: January 14, 2021, 11:01:50 AM »
I find it interesting all the theories being thrown around with this kind of build.  It has been my experience that when increasing the head flow from a given flow to a higher flow, the horsepower does not go up at 2 hp/cfm, but only ~1 hp/cfm.  I really only expect the 352 to gain ~38-40 hp over what it was before. Same with porting another intake manifold.  Why?  The median average airflow did not change 40 cfm.  I would have to get the before flow figures at .050" lift all the way to the actual valve lift, and find the average/median flow, then do the same for the ported heads.  The difference will not be as much as thought, and that difference x 2 will be the true horsepower increase to expect.  Also, on these heads, the exhaust ports were ported to flow 184 cfm without a pipe, but add a header tube, and they jump up to 194 cfm or more depending on header size and length.  That is 66%, and with the tube 69% bias.  I usually like my heads to have at least 70% exhaust to intake flow, and prefer 72-74% if possible without a pipe.  These heads have a 1.600" exhaust valve which makes it difficult to reach that 70% barrier.  Put a 1.650/1.680" exhaust valve in with multi-angle valve job, and they will go over 200 cfm, which would get the exhaust ratio over the 70% with ease.   Werby's guess at 475 will be close if I am right.   Joe-JDC
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Re: Round 2 of 352 beating coming up.....
« Reply #28 on: January 14, 2021, 11:24:48 AM »
When you put the ram on it, like to know what carbs and the jetting/etc.  I'd like to put the ram back on the door car, but having a bit of issue getting the carbs (pair 4160 / List 1850 ) set right.  That plus I need to get a small cap ignition for it. 

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Re: Round 2 of 352 beating coming up.....
« Reply #29 on: January 14, 2021, 12:03:05 PM »
How about 468 HP
430 TQ