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frnkeore

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Re: '58 Edsel 361 Build and into '54 Ford
« Reply #60 on: June 26, 2021, 11:23:00 AM »
For those not familiar with Ted Wells, here is a extremely interesting HR article from March of '71, posted on HAMB. It's hard to read but, if you hit ctrl then push + until it's at 133%, it's easy to read. I bought the magazine on Ebay to get the article.

https://www.jalopyjournal.com/forum/threads/i-like-54-fords-and-thought-i-had-seen-this-car-in-the-past.1045716/page-2#post-13521649

It didn't say if he enlarged the gallery, from the top main down to the diagonal pass, across the front bulk head, as I did but, I don't think he would have missed that. BTW, other top FE builders do this same modification. Of course, Brent isn't one of them.

I do not agree with Teds opening of the mains passages, to 5/16 to the main bearings. It gets to close to the edge of the cam bearings and is no benifit, because the annular grooves will only allow the capacity of the existing 1/4" hole but, if I had a way to increase the width annular grooves, to .281 and the depth, to .142, I would drill them to 9/32 (.281). But, remember, Ted ran his .050 over, 352 for years, drilled like that, at up to 8300 rpm launches and shifting at 7500 rpm and HP in the 450/500 range.

Enjoy, it's a great read and shows what the FE could do, "back in the old'n days".

Also, note that he used the C0AE heads and heavily modified the chambers. VHS was one of the top head porters, in those days.

I also think is very beneficial, to block the feed to the heads and run a separate lines, off the rear of the main oil gallery. That way you don't loose any oil to #2 & #4 main bearings.

While my engine doesn't really "need" these mods for the HP and rpm level it will have, I was able to do the fixtures and use them for my other 361 (indust) that will benefit from them.
 
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Re: '58 Edsel 361 Build and into '54 Ford
« Reply #61 on: August 31, 2021, 07:43:18 PM »
More progress on the Edsel, although slow.

I mocked up the pistons and the block is in to be decked now. This block is taller than 10.17, the drivers side is 10.174 @ #8 and 10.181 @ #5. The passenger side is even taller, #1 10.185 and #4 is also 10.185. It's being cut to 10.172/3 and .016/.017 out of the hole.

The heads are coming along, too. I made a piloted 10° throat cutter, 1.875 dia, 1.5 lg with a 5/16 radius. It gives a throat or almost 90% of the 2.09 valves. You'll notice that there is some casting shift (actually shrinkage), as the 2 pockets are are almost right on @ 1.98 C/C and the other two are about .02 short and the distance from the first In valve, to the last, is .010 short. It is within Ford tolerance of .020.

The throating cutter will make it bowls flow more even. I'll narrow the guilds and do a little more bowl work on the entry and that's about it, I'm not a "porter" and don't like it.

The valve job is roughed in, also. In are 15, 30, 45, 60 and the throat is 80. Ex is 30, 45, 60.
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Re: '58 Edsel 361 Build and into '54 Ford
« Reply #62 on: December 24, 2021, 08:19:00 PM »
It been a long time so, here's a update on the Edsel:

I have ruined the heads!!! I had a lot of work in them. The intakes turned out great BUT, I made the bowl to big on the EX and broke threw the water jacket, when blending it to the runner,@#$%^&&*"?. I bought a set of C4-G's and have to start over :(

On the up side, I thought you guys might be interested in my new crank spacer. I'm building two engine and both will get one. This one goes on the Edsel . The other on my 412 ci, 361 Industrial engine,  The 412 will have a dry sump and be driven with this spacer. I haven't figured out what to drive with it, on the Edsel, for now but, it's there to use.

It is 18 groove, 3/8 pitch and weighs 8.1 oz, as shown. I'm guessing but, I think the steel one will weigh about 1 1/2 lb, since steel weighs 3 times what aluminum does. The 428, Edsel crank, is out for balancing right now so, I can't assemble it until it gets back.

I have a aluminum WP for it and It will be driven with a keyed, 1.500 diameter spud, off the front of the dampener and a slip on aluminum pulley. I haven't decided whether to use a V belt or a timing belt for that yet.

Back in the 80's I sold drive systems and also sold a SBC water pump, of my design. I may see what I can do for a WP on my 412, similar to the SBC design.
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Re: '58 Edsel 361 Build and into '54 Ford
« Reply #63 on: March 06, 2022, 08:06:02 PM »
That sucks about the heads.  Thanks for sharing the article about Mr. Wells.
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Re: '58 Edsel 361 Build and into '54 Ford
« Reply #64 on: March 07, 2022, 09:14:43 AM »
Nice work on that crank spacer, Frank!
Jay Brown
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Re: '58 Edsel 361 Build and into '54 Ford
« Reply #65 on: March 07, 2022, 06:50:19 PM »
Thank you, Jay. I appreciate that :)
Frank