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WerbyFord

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Re: 360 horse 352
« Reply #90 on: October 04, 2020, 08:16:21 AM »
What was Holley's biggest carb in 1960?

Near as I can figure:
390cfm = 1957 312/245
450cfm = 1958 383/312
550cfm = 1958 383/330
600cfm = 1958 430/360

So Ford could have gone up to 600cfm for the 352/360hp.
Strangely, the Dec 1960 article on the new 390/375 (600cfm) says NOT to backfit the big 600cfm carb to the 352/360hp. Both seem small to me.

715cfm = 1963 427/410
780cfm = 1965 427/410MR
850cfm = 1967 427/L88 maybe
950cfm = 1968 427TP 3bbl maybe
1050cfm = 1969 429 Boss Dominator maybe
Just guessing on those last few.

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Re: 360 horse 352
« Reply #91 on: October 04, 2020, 09:01:19 AM »
Could be  Ford knew that the 360 HP rods & valve springs wouldn't play nice with a larger carb.

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Re: 360 horse 352
« Reply #92 on: October 04, 2020, 10:43:59 AM »
May be the pistons are 428 industrial.

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Re: 360 horse 352
« Reply #93 on: October 04, 2020, 05:04:39 PM »
Werby, your list misses a few factory ringers like the -DT and -BF List 2953


I agree tho, if given the task of carbureting the 352HP, I’d be starting with the 715.

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Re: 360 horse 352
« Reply #94 on: October 04, 2020, 06:08:50 PM »
Isn't there a big Autolite in there for the 58 430.. Did the 60 430 use an AFB?
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Re: 360 horse 352
« Reply #95 on: October 04, 2020, 08:32:30 PM »
If memory serves me correct, the couple of intake I have looked at, the holes were smaller than the butterflies of the 600 cfm Holleys, and would be a big hinderance to flow and create turbulence.  The throttle blades would not open properly?  I have a very old Holley here that I will look at tomorrow and see if I can identify the year/vehicle/throttle blades sizes.  Joe-JDC
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Re: 360 horse 352
« Reply #96 on: October 05, 2020, 07:10:12 AM »
I am told that the largest 4100 Autolite carb. came on the high torque '58 Merc. 383 at 669 cfb with a 1.10 venturi.

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Re: 360 horse 352
« Reply #97 on: October 05, 2020, 11:03:16 AM »
They made the the 4100 as large as 674 cfm and a 1.19 venturi.

http://mustangtek.com/carburetors/FordCarburetors.htm

From my 1960 Ford Shop Manual, it looks like all the 300 hp, 4v's, that year were 4100's. My manual doesn't have the 360 hp engine in it.
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Re: 360 horse 352
« Reply #98 on: October 05, 2020, 12:04:14 PM »
If memory serves me correct, the couple of intake I have looked at, the holes were smaller than the butterflies of the 600 cfm Holleys, and would be a big hinderance to flow and create turbulence. The throttle blades would not open properly?  I have a very old Holley here that I will look at tomorrow and see if I can identify the year/vehicle/throttle blades sizes.  Joe-JDC
With early iron intakes the throttle bores are indeed smaller than carb's throttle plates and most likely create transition turbulence. Early intakes [EDC?] also have what appears to be a pretty swoopy looking runner system with a plenum [and runners] similar to the later high performance aluminum manifolds. In the early 70s with one of these manifolds I scribed and bored the 4 throttle bores out to 2.125" each on a radial drill press and ran a 715 Holley. The setup worked great, no interference with throttle blades, no bore restrictions and the manifold/carb setup would pull hard to about 5400-5500 on a mildly built 390 with a 406 solid lifter cam. Only drawback to that manifold was the weight. Performance was on par with most FoMoCo aluminum manifolds I've used.     

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Re: 360 horse 352
« Reply #99 on: October 05, 2020, 02:20:48 PM »
The Holley I have is a R-4548, which is listed as '61-67 352-428 carb in the Holley reference manual.  Joe-JDC
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Re: 360 horse 352
« Reply #100 on: October 05, 2020, 03:37:56 PM »
The Holley I have is a R-4548, which is listed as '61-67 352-428 carb in the Holley reference manual.  Joe-JDC
My old Colt Industries book shows that carb as a service replacement for 302-390-428 and 429 and judging by pri. jetting  [22R-40-57] and a #30 sec. plate with .064" main/.029" idle] it would seem to be about a 450 cfm carb at best.

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Re: 360 horse 352
« Reply #101 on: October 05, 2020, 07:57:35 PM »
Isn't there a big Autolite in there for the 58 430.. Did the 60 430 use an AFB?


     Not that I'm aware of; but I am aware of the Holley's appearing on the '58 Mercury's with the M.E.L. 383's, and 430's (LIST: 1405A & 1740A, Ford #EDJ-9510-A & #5750897) but except for some early photos of say perhaps pre-production '60 430 installations they seem to have all received the Carter's?  There is a Holley "List" number 1850A and a FOMOCO stamped number Holley, which based on literature supposedly was intended  for the 430 in '59 & '60, and actually quite commonly encountered in the used market, but I haven't found them on any "proper" 430 M.E.L. cars?                 ???

    But maybe I just didn't get the memo?               ::)

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Re: 360 horse 352
« Reply #102 on: October 06, 2020, 11:05:22 AM »
I have a 1850 with the 6 digit FoMoCo part number somewhere. When I get into the shop today or tomorrow I'll find it and post the actual numbers. The Colt book has this as a 1958-61LIncoln 430, 1958-59 Merc. 430 and 59-61 T-bird 430.

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Re: 360 horse 352
« Reply #103 on: October 06, 2020, 11:09:53 AM »
I have a 1850 with the 6 digit FoMoCo part number somewhere. When I get into the shop today or tomorrow I'll find it and post the actual numbers. The Colt book has this as a 1958-61LIncoln 430, 1958-59 Merc. 430 and 59-61 T-bird 430.

If it’s a List 1850 it’s probably this one with the 7 digit “boxcar” number.

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Re: 360 horse 352
« Reply #104 on: October 06, 2020, 04:43:03 PM »

If it’s a List 1850 it’s probably this one with the 7 digit “boxcar” number.




    Yep, #5752426, that's the number I didn't remember.             :)

    Scott.