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Re: Edelbrock 60069 heads.
« Reply #15 on: December 13, 2012, 06:30:35 PM »
Good stuff Jim, looking forward to hearing the results
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Re: Edelbrock 60069 heads.
« Reply #16 on: December 13, 2012, 06:54:26 PM »
Just did a set of Edelbrock RPM heads and the CCs were 72.2, and the springs had 160# on the seat at 1.930" installed height.  Very good springs, and verified on two spring testers.  I was surprised they were so strong.  Joe-JDC.

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Re: Edelbrock 60069 heads.
« Reply #17 on: December 13, 2012, 08:45:02 PM »
Alright,
   I've got another question. Has anyone ordered the Sealed Power R821 adjustable rockers. If you have, can you tell me if they came with bushings already installed. I can buy new rockers and shafts for right at $300.00. Also, are the springs and stands of a adjustable rocker arm assy. the same as a hydraulic assy. Jim PS. In case your wondering the hydraulic unit I have is God knows how old, so theres no use using hydraulic if I've got to buy new assembley's anyway.

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Re: Edelbrock 60069 heads.
« Reply #18 on: December 14, 2012, 08:16:31 AM »
Stands, springs and shafts will swap between mechanical and hyd.  There are differences in some shaft oiling design, but as a rule of thumb, point holes down and then ignore the differences LOL

I don't know how the Sealed Power rocker delivers but it should be ready to slide on on the shaft

It's added cost, but Doug Garifo's end stands are a good idea to keep the end 4 rockers and shafts stable. 

and of course you'll need pushrods too with the adjustable valve train
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Re: Edelbrock 60069 heads.
« Reply #19 on: December 14, 2012, 11:53:57 AM »
427Stang,
     I've got new "Stock" Sealed Power rockers and shafts comming. I talked with Scott Main awhile and he's sending me the correct pushrods to go with the hydraulic lifters and cam I got from him. He's also sending me the shims that the Edelbrock intake valve re-location needs. I looked at the stands that you suggested for the rocker arms. I want them but, I need to know one thing first. I'll call them and find out if they'll work with the stock oil tray I'm religously going to make sure stays with this setup. I'm more concerned with directing oil back into the oil pan than the ends of the rocker shafts breaking off with 312 lb. spring pressure. Am I thinking wrong. Jim  PS.  In my search for information I've run across your name and handle on everything from FE's to Packard rocker shaft rebuilds.
 PSSSSSS  Called Doug and he said I'd have to cut the spring guards of the tray off each end spring.
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Re: Edelbrock 60069 heads.
« Reply #20 on: December 14, 2012, 04:57:33 PM »
I just used a set of Dougs end stands with the later non fingered oil tins and stock hyd rockers

I just shaped them a little in the vise, tightened them down so that the stands did the rest of the pushing for me, then used a screwdriver-sized pry bar and made sure nothing was rubbing

Took no time at all and worked great
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- 71 F100 shortbed 4x4, 461 cid FE, headers, Victor Pro-flo EFI, Comp Custom HFT cam, 3.50 9 inch

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Re: Edelbrock 60069 heads.
« Reply #21 on: December 14, 2012, 06:02:06 PM »
mine came in at 72.3  apox....

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Re: Edelbrock 60069 heads.
« Reply #22 on: December 14, 2012, 06:21:59 PM »
I just used a set of Dougs end stands with the later non fingered oil tins and stock hyd rockers

I just shaped them a little in the vise, tightened them down so that the stands did the rest of the pushing for me, then used a screwdriver-sized pry bar and made sure nothing was rubbing

Took no time at all and worked great

X2 what Ross did. My tins needed a little massaging for the POP end stands to work. No biggie.
For the record, With fairly stout valve springs, (can't remember the valve open pressure)the ends of my rocker shafts were flexing up .011 without end stands.
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Re: Edelbrock 60069 heads.
« Reply #23 on: December 14, 2012, 06:53:15 PM »
427stang, Bartlett, KMcCullah,
    Alright guys here's what I did. The heads look great. I cc'd them about an hour ago. The only thing I had to stick in the sparkplug hole was a Champion L77JC4 Lawn mower spark plug with a .4175 reach. It took 2.5 CC's to fill the spark plug hole. I finished filling the combustion chamber until all the air bubble was gone and it was pouring out the hole in the glass. It read 73 cc's exactly. The plugs I need to use have a .750" reach so with a little mathmatics you figure if you add 43.6% more hole volume that enables me to deduct 1.085 cc's from my total of 73. It's comming in right at 72cc's. They must have tighter quality control now. I was pleased.
   OK the other delima, rocker tray and Doug's hold down's. The two outer drip troughs will have to be altered. Really made me mad since I made such a fuss about it. Since I have to alter the trays (Edelbrock does have nice milled troughts in it already) anyway. I'm going to call Doug back and order the shaft ends from him. The last post by KMcCullah is informative also. The tray I don't want to live without after reading Jay's book about 3/4 qt. more oil in the pan with the tray and the shaft end pieces will be a little more security on what I think is a good setup for a mild build.
 Thanks guys, Your advice is priceless to me. Even though I am hard headed, I can learn.  Jim    PS.  Just got off the phone with Doug and he's sending me the oil restrictors for the heads and ALL the stands including the end stands. DONE
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Re: Edelbrock 60069 heads.
« Reply #24 on: December 14, 2012, 07:08:16 PM »
I had a burr on mine right by the oil feeding hole ... this caused a leak to my rockers. stoned it off, I also restricted the heads with a jet,   

I also found that I liked using right stuff on the head side of the valve cover gasket, this keeps the gasket glued to the head, It keeps the oil from running down my motor when I pull the covers to inspect or adjust

just some things I found .....

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Re: Edelbrock 60069 heads.
« Reply #25 on: December 14, 2012, 11:36:32 PM »
When you get those rockers, get a small flashlight and a hook/pick set and go through the oil holes very carefully.  I found all sorts of small machining "treasures" left over in those holes in my last set of Comp aluminum roller rockers.  Very easy to pick them out if they are present and will keep them from finding their way into other places in the motor.  Also, on the other forum someone mentioned using short roll pins instead of cotter keys on the end shafts (since the end stands cover the holes) as an extra safety measure in the unlikely event one of the staked internal shaft plugs decides to come loose.  I thought that was a good idea and on my next valve adjustment I'll be doing that myself.

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Re: Edelbrock 60069 heads.
« Reply #26 on: December 15, 2012, 10:20:29 AM »
When you get those rockers, get a small flashlight and a hook/pick set and go through the oil holes very carefully.  I found all sorts of small machining "treasures" left over in those holes in my last set of Comp aluminum roller rockers.  Very easy to pick them out if they are present and will keep them from finding their way into other places in the motor.  Also, on the other forum someone mentioned using short roll pins instead of cotter keys on the end shafts (since the end stands cover the holes) as an extra safety measure in the unlikely event one of the staked internal shaft plugs decides to come loose.  I thought that was a good idea and on my next valve adjustment I'll be doing that myself.

drdano,
   Thanks on the roll pin info. You guys are absolutely priceless. Just like the commercal about that credit card. Only you guys don't ask for a fee from me using that information. Thanks, Jim

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Re: Edelbrock 60069 heads.
« Reply #27 on: December 15, 2012, 06:20:49 PM »
When you get those rockers, get a small flashlight and a hook/pick set and go through the oil holes very carefully.  I found all sorts of small machining "treasures" left over in those holes in my last set of Comp aluminum roller rockers.  Very easy to pick them out if they are present and will keep them from finding their way into other places in the motor.  Also, on the other forum someone mentioned using short roll pins instead of cotter keys on the end shafts (since the end stands cover the holes) as an extra safety measure in the unlikely event one of the staked internal shaft plugs decides to come loose.  I thought that was a good idea and on my next valve adjustment I'll be doing that myself.

drdano,
   Thanks on the roll pin info. You guys are absolutely priceless. Just like the commercal about that credit card. Only you guys don't ask for a fee from me using that information. Thanks, Jim

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- 71 F100 shortbed 4x4, 461 cid FE, headers, Victor Pro-flo EFI, Comp Custom HFT cam, 3.50 9 inch

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Re: Edelbrock 60069 heads.
« Reply #28 on: December 15, 2012, 06:39:17 PM »
427stang,
    While I got you here and the bill's comming anyway, I need to know something. The drainback holes in the new heads are .434". I opened one up to .445" with my adjustable reamer and then got to thinking I haven't asked advice yet. How much should I open them up. By the way, I made adjustments to one tray and it's looking pretty good. Thanks, Jim

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Re: Edelbrock 60069 heads.
« Reply #29 on: December 15, 2012, 09:00:44 PM »
 I dot open them up, I just make sure they are blended decently.  The early Edels had a drainback issue, but that was corrected years ago.

I think you are pretty good where you are, just shape it and smooth it out a bit
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- 70 Fastback Mustang, 489 cid FE, Victor, SEFI, Erson SFT cam, TKO-600 5 speed, 4.11 9 inch.
- 71 F100 shortbed 4x4, 461 cid FE, headers, Victor Pro-flo EFI, Comp Custom HFT cam, 3.50 9 inch