410 Street Build

[410bruce]

Hello gentleman. I thought it might be kind of fun to document my 410 engine build slated to go into a 1989 F-150 2wd short bed.
This may take some time as most of my projects usually do. 
The goal is to have as much torque and throttle response as I can possibly get while keeping within:
A) Stock or near stock torque converter.
B) 3.08 rear end gears.
C) Good vacuum for power brakes.
D) Target of 400 horsepower.

Werbyford outlined a nice, basic build for me here http://fepower.net/simplemachinesforum/index.php?topic=7463.0 that I most likely will follow. However, I would really like to go with a hydraulic cam, if possible, that would run like the 270S.

Any and all input is greatly welcomed and encouraged. 

And since we all like pics, here's what I'm starting with.

[e philpott]

then order a 270H , H for hydralic

[410bruce]

Hmmm....maybe this won't be fun. Trying to upload attachments is like pulling teeth..

[410bruce]

Hmmm....maybe this won't be fun. Trying to upload attachments is like pulling teeth..

You would think that would be the obvious logical choice. However, it doesn't always translate into the same power or type of power.

(I know what the H means. 

Thanks for the reply. 

[e philpott]

In this case it should be the same , your cam will run out of steam about the same time the lifters float , if it was a Comp 294H your lifters would float before the power has peaked

[Heo]

Bruce not a 410 but a 390. Ported C4-G heads with CJ valves, 282S cam ,10.5-1 comp,
Ported Streetmaster intake,3310 carb by Tobbemek, factory shorty headers, decked, linehoned
bored .060 carefully asembled.
Werby is welcome to gonk that if he have some spare time.
But i suspect 400 plus hp, a 410 built to same specs would have both more tq and hp
2.70.2.80 something rear end dont remember now, 29 inch tires
With the new carb it drives like a stock engine at low rpm can idle in drive the whole day.
If i mash the throttle from idle it just pics up and pull like a freight train no bog no peak no flatspots
Its not lika a baseball batt in the neck. Just pulls and pulls until you realice im movin fast real fast.
I have a 6000 rpm pill in the MSD but i dont know if thats working. By the ear i think i have pulled past that and it
dont show no sign to stop pulling. Why not Solid cam? is it the myth about adjustin lash
ones a week? im just home from a 2500 mile trip and drove it for a couple of years before that and
no need for adjusting lash yet

[Heo]

Bruce not a 410 but a 390. Ported C4-G heads with CJ valves, 282S cam ,10.5-1 comp,
Ported Streetmaster intake,3310 carb by Tobbemek, factory shorty headers, decked, linehoned
bored .060 carefully asembled.
Werby is welcome to gonk that if he have some spare time.
But i suspect 400 plus hp, a 410 built to same specs would have both more tq and hp
2.70.2.80 something rear end dont remember now, 29 inch tires
With the new carb it drives like a stock engine at low rpm can idle in drive the whole day.
If i mash the throttle from idle it just pics up and pull like a freight train no bog no peak no flatspots
Its not lika a baseball batt in the neck. Just pulls and pulls until you realice im movin fast real fast.
I have a 6000 rpm pill in the MSD but i dont know if thats working. By the ear i think i have pulled past that and it
dont show no sign to stop pulling. Why not Solid cam? is it the myth about adjustin lash
ones a week? im just home from a 2500 mile trip and drove it for a couple of years before that and
no need for adjusting lash yet

PS i run Powerbrakes 11 inch/hg vaccum at idle

[410bruce]

Sounds like a runner, Heo.

Why not a solid cam? A hydraulic's just a little easier on the valve train and I like a mechanically quiet engine.
But now that I think about it, I did run a Crane solid for several years in my old 460 powered '79 F-100 2wd sb. It was pretty much my daily driver and I don't think I adjusted the valves but maybe once in that whole time. Yeah, maybe the 270S is a viable option. A lot of guys on here and over on the other forum seem to like it. 

[410bruce]

Down to the bare block. A bit of a ring ridge. Lot of sludge in the water jacket.
Crank needs to be turned. The mains are very worn.

[410bruce]

Crank.

[67428GT500]

Bruce:
You're going to love the heads on that build!  It's going to wake it up. It really changed my 428 Vs. the C7AE heads that came on the GT500.

[410bruce]

Bruce:
You're going to love the heads on that build!  It's going to wake it up. It really changed my 428 Vs. the C7AE heads that came on the GT500.

Nice. Yeah, I'm looking forward to it, for sure. 

[67428GT500]

That crank looks rough!

[410bruce]

That crank looks rough!

It's odd, the mains are hammered but the rods look nice.
I think the fully grooved main bearings didn't do the crank any favors. Where the grooves were, the crank has a raised lip.
I'm hoping it will machine out okay. There's only three commercial machine shops left here and none do crank grinding anymore.
Fortunately there's a place over in Redding CA. about 150 miles from me, that still does it. The owner has been grinding cranks for decades and is known for doing excellent work, so if the crank can be salvaged, he'll be the one who can do it.

[67428GT500]

I remember when I only saw .020 as the largest oversize. They are out to .040 now. However, I won't run anything but tri-metal on a factory crank. I found performance rod bearings from Speed Pro that are coated tri-metal with a special compound steel backer in .020 but their mains oil all the way around instead of half or three quarter. I guess I am going to buy the expensive 351 Cleveland mains.

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