410 Street Build

[plovett]

I think a Comp 268H would be nice given the gearing, vehicle weight, and low rpm goals.  Just have to make sure to match the compression ratio.  9.5:1 or thereabouts.  It might not make 400 hp, though. 

JMO,

paulie

[blykins]

Hello gentleman. I thought it might be kind of fun to document my 410 engine build slated to go into a 1989 F-150 2wd short bed.
This may take some time as most of my projects usually do. 
The goal is to have as much torque and throttle response as I can possibly get while keeping within:
A) Stock or near stock torque converter.
B) 3.08 rear end gears.
C) Good vacuum for power brakes.
D) Target of 400 horsepower.

Werbyford outlined a nice, basic build for me here http://fepower.net/simplemachinesforum/index.php?topic=7463.0 that I most likely will follow. However, I would really like to go with a hydraulic cam, if possible, that would run like the 270S.

Any and all input is greatly welcomed and encouraged. 

And since we all like pics, here's what I'm starting with.

I'd do one of my custom hydraulic flat tappets:

227/235 @ .050", 111° LSA, 105 ICL, .528"/.540" lift.  61° of overlap for power brakes, higher advertised durations to keep you out of pump gas problems with 10:1 compression. 

[410bruce]

Thanks for the input so far guys, it's really appreciated. 

Brent, I'll be talking to you when I get to the point of cam installation.
I do like to give my business to people who freely share their knowledge on these forums. Thank you.

[410bruce]

The crank is at the machine shop. 

I sold a marine 351w to a gentleman from the Redding area and asked if he knew of the shop I wanted to send the crank. He said yes and not only that, had previously had them do work on his Y-block and was very happy with the work.
Anyhow, I asked him if he would mind delivering it to the shop for me and he was happy to. Nice kid.
I took a little off the price of the 351 for his trouble.

So, waiting to hear back if the crank is salvageable.

[Stangman]

Does an FE bolt right into an 89 pickup?. I thought 76 was the last year for that because of crossmember issues.

[410bruce]

Does an FE bolt right into an 89 pickup?. I thought 76 was the last year for that because of crossmember issues.

No, it does not. But, where there's a will, there's a way.  You are correct about 1976 being the last year for the FE in pick-ups. Could have been some left overs in '77.

I used to have a 1979 F-100 2wd sb that went through a series of engines. It came with a 302 then I installed a 351C 4V CJ, 460, 460, 429, 428, 460. All of them I was able to use the stock engine mount perches. However, as I recall, I had to move them either forward or back for the 428.
The '89 has a 300/6 in it right now and I will have to change perches. I'm hoping to use the 5.0/5.8 perches and just mount them where the 410 needs them.
I'll share my installation once it's all together.   

[BigBlueIron]

[/quote]
I used to have a 1979 F-100 2wd sb that went through a series of engines. It came with a 302 then I installed a 351C 4V CJ, 460, 460, 429, 428, 460. All of them I was able to use the stock engine mount perches. However, as I recall, I had to move them either forward or back for the 428.
The '89 has a 300/6 in it right now and I will have to change perches. I'm hoping to use the 5.0/5.8 perches and just mount them where the 410 needs them.
I'll share my installation once it's all together.
[/quote]

You sir are hard on engines and a glutton for punishment! I'd like to see how it turns out.

[RJP]

The crank is at the machine shop. 

I sold a marine 351w to a gentleman from the Redding area and asked if he knew of the shop I wanted to send the crank. He said yes and not only that, had previously had them do work on his Y-block and was very happy with the work.
Anyhow, I asked him if he would mind delivering it to the shop for me and he was happy to. Nice kid.
I took a little off the price of the 351 for his trouble.

So, waiting to hear back if the crank is salvageable.

410bruce, What shop did you send your crank to? I'm in the Bay Area and the last crank grinder just closed up shop a week or so ago. I know of no shops in my area that grinds cranks which would mean I will have to travel to get a crank done. Any help? TIA

[67428GT500]

Bay Area? I'm sorry..lol 

[410bruce]

I used to have a 1979 F-100 2wd sb that went through a series of engines. It came with a 302 then I installed a 351C 4V CJ, 460, 460, 429, 428, 460. All of them I was able to use the stock engine mount perches. However, as I recall, I had to move them either forward or back for the 428.
The '89 has a 300/6 in it right now and I will have to change perches. I'm hoping to use the 5.0/5.8 perches and just mount them where the 410 needs them.
I'll share my installation once it's all together.
[/quote]

You sir are hard on engines and a glutton for punishment! I'd like to see how it turns out.
[/quote]
Lol. Nah, it was more experimentation than anything. Thanks. 

[410bruce]

The crank is at the machine shop. 

I sold a marine 351w to a gentleman from the Redding area and asked if he knew of the shop I wanted to send the crank. He said yes and not only that, had previously had them do work on his Y-block and was very happy with the work.
Anyhow, I asked him if he would mind delivering it to the shop for me and he was happy to. Nice kid.
I took a little off the price of the 351 for his trouble.

So, waiting to hear back if the crank is salvageable.

410bruce, What shop did you send your crank to? I'm in the Bay Area and the last crank grinder just closed up shop a week or so ago. I know of no shops in my area that grinds cranks which would mean I will have to travel to get a crank done. Any help? TIA

L&M Grinding in Redding, CA.  http://www.buzzfile.com/business/L.And.M-Grinding-530-221-7652

Pretty hot over there right now. His hours at this time are 6:30am-2:00pm Tuesday-Thursday.

Owners name is Mario. Really good guy to deal with.

[410bruce]

Just spoke with Mario on the phone. Cranks done. Mains cleaned up at .020 and the rods at .010. Excellent! 

[67428GT500]

Did you have him grind to the low side of tolerances?

[410bruce]

Did you have him grind to the low side of tolerances?

I left it up to him. I would imagine he set it up at whatever clearance Ford calls for.

[67428GT500]

As a habit, I have always had them grind to the low side of tolerance to allow for adequate clearances. I try to keep .002-.0025. Better than playing the bearing game being there are few offerings if the clearances are an issue short of returning the crank to the grinder. Make sure they did a nice chamfer for you as well.

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