410 Street Build

[410bruce]

Hello gentleman. I thought it might be kind of fun to document my 410 engine build slated to go into a 1989 F-150 2wd short bed.
This may take some time as most of my projects usually do. 
The goal is to have as much torque and throttle response as I can possibly get while keeping within:
A) Stock or near stock torque converter.
B) 3.08 rear end gears.
C) Good vacuum for power brakes.
D) Target of 400 horsepower.

Werbyford outlined a nice, basic build for me here http://fepower.net/simplemachinesforum/index.php?topic=7463.0 that I most likely will follow. However, I would really like to go with a hydraulic cam, if possible, that would run like the 270S.

Any and all input is greatly welcomed and encouraged. 

And since we all like pics, here's what I'm starting with.

[e philpott]

then order a 270H , H for hydralic

[410bruce]

Hmmm....maybe this won't be fun. Trying to upload attachments is like pulling teeth..

[410bruce]

Hmmm....maybe this won't be fun. Trying to upload attachments is like pulling teeth..

You would think that would be the obvious logical choice. However, it doesn't always translate into the same power or type of power.

(I know what the H means. 

Thanks for the reply. 

[e philpott]

In this case it should be the same , your cam will run out of steam about the same time the lifters float , if it was a Comp 294H your lifters would float before the power has peaked

[Heo]

Bruce not a 410 but a 390. Ported C4-G heads with CJ valves, 282S cam ,10.5-1 comp,
Ported Streetmaster intake,3310 carb by Tobbemek, factory shorty headers, decked, linehoned
bored .060 carefully asembled.
Werby is welcome to gonk that if he have some spare time.
But i suspect 400 plus hp, a 410 built to same specs would have both more tq and hp
2.70.2.80 something rear end dont remember now, 29 inch tires
With the new carb it drives like a stock engine at low rpm can idle in drive the whole day.
If i mash the throttle from idle it just pics up and pull like a freight train no bog no peak no flatspots
Its not lika a baseball batt in the neck. Just pulls and pulls until you realice im movin fast real fast.
I have a 6000 rpm pill in the MSD but i dont know if thats working. By the ear i think i have pulled past that and it
dont show no sign to stop pulling. Why not Solid cam? is it the myth about adjustin lash
ones a week? im just home from a 2500 mile trip and drove it for a couple of years before that and
no need for adjusting lash yet

[Heo]

Bruce not a 410 but a 390. Ported C4-G heads with CJ valves, 282S cam ,10.5-1 comp,
Ported Streetmaster intake,3310 carb by Tobbemek, factory shorty headers, decked, linehoned
bored .060 carefully asembled.
Werby is welcome to gonk that if he have some spare time.
But i suspect 400 plus hp, a 410 built to same specs would have both more tq and hp
2.70.2.80 something rear end dont remember now, 29 inch tires
With the new carb it drives like a stock engine at low rpm can idle in drive the whole day.
If i mash the throttle from idle it just pics up and pull like a freight train no bog no peak no flatspots
Its not lika a baseball batt in the neck. Just pulls and pulls until you realice im movin fast real fast.
I have a 6000 rpm pill in the MSD but i dont know if thats working. By the ear i think i have pulled past that and it
dont show no sign to stop pulling. Why not Solid cam? is it the myth about adjustin lash
ones a week? im just home from a 2500 mile trip and drove it for a couple of years before that and
no need for adjusting lash yet

PS i run Powerbrakes 11 inch/hg vaccum at idle

[410bruce]

Sounds like a runner, Heo.

Why not a solid cam? A hydraulic's just a little easier on the valve train and I like a mechanically quiet engine.
But now that I think about it, I did run a Crane solid for several years in my old 460 powered '79 F-100 2wd sb. It was pretty much my daily driver and I don't think I adjusted the valves but maybe once in that whole time. Yeah, maybe the 270S is a viable option. A lot of guys on here and over on the other forum seem to like it. 

[410bruce]

Down to the bare block. A bit of a ring ridge. Lot of sludge in the water jacket.
Crank needs to be turned. The mains are very worn.

[410bruce]

Crank.

[67428GT500]

Bruce:
You're going to love the heads on that build!  It's going to wake it up. It really changed my 428 Vs. the C7AE heads that came on the GT500.

[410bruce]

Bruce:
You're going to love the heads on that build!  It's going to wake it up. It really changed my 428 Vs. the C7AE heads that came on the GT500.

Nice. Yeah, I'm looking forward to it, for sure. 

[67428GT500]

That crank looks rough!

[410bruce]

That crank looks rough!

It's odd, the mains are hammered but the rods look nice.
I think the fully grooved main bearings didn't do the crank any favors. Where the grooves were, the crank has a raised lip.
I'm hoping it will machine out okay. There's only three commercial machine shops left here and none do crank grinding anymore.
Fortunately there's a place over in Redding CA. about 150 miles from me, that still does it. The owner has been grinding cranks for decades and is known for doing excellent work, so if the crank can be salvaged, he'll be the one who can do it.

[67428GT500]

I remember when I only saw .020 as the largest oversize. They are out to .040 now. However, I won't run anything but tri-metal on a factory crank. I found performance rod bearings from Speed Pro that are coated tri-metal with a special compound steel backer in .020 but their mains oil all the way around instead of half or three quarter. I guess I am going to buy the expensive 351 Cleveland mains.

                                                                                                                     -Keith

[plovett]

I think a Comp 268H would be nice given the gearing, vehicle weight, and low rpm goals.  Just have to make sure to match the compression ratio.  9.5:1 or thereabouts.  It might not make 400 hp, though. 

JMO,

paulie

[blykins]

Hello gentleman. I thought it might be kind of fun to document my 410 engine build slated to go into a 1989 F-150 2wd short bed.
This may take some time as most of my projects usually do. 
The goal is to have as much torque and throttle response as I can possibly get while keeping within:
A) Stock or near stock torque converter.
B) 3.08 rear end gears.
C) Good vacuum for power brakes.
D) Target of 400 horsepower.

Werbyford outlined a nice, basic build for me here http://fepower.net/simplemachinesforum/index.php?topic=7463.0 that I most likely will follow. However, I would really like to go with a hydraulic cam, if possible, that would run like the 270S.

Any and all input is greatly welcomed and encouraged. 

And since we all like pics, here's what I'm starting with.

I'd do one of my custom hydraulic flat tappets:

227/235 @ .050", 111° LSA, 105 ICL, .528"/.540" lift.  61° of overlap for power brakes, higher advertised durations to keep you out of pump gas problems with 10:1 compression. 

[410bruce]

Thanks for the input so far guys, it's really appreciated. 

Brent, I'll be talking to you when I get to the point of cam installation.
I do like to give my business to people who freely share their knowledge on these forums. Thank you.

[410bruce]

The crank is at the machine shop. 

I sold a marine 351w to a gentleman from the Redding area and asked if he knew of the shop I wanted to send the crank. He said yes and not only that, had previously had them do work on his Y-block and was very happy with the work.
Anyhow, I asked him if he would mind delivering it to the shop for me and he was happy to. Nice kid.
I took a little off the price of the 351 for his trouble.

So, waiting to hear back if the crank is salvageable.

[Stangman]

Does an FE bolt right into an 89 pickup?. I thought 76 was the last year for that because of crossmember issues.

[410bruce]

Does an FE bolt right into an 89 pickup?. I thought 76 was the last year for that because of crossmember issues.

No, it does not. But, where there's a will, there's a way.  You are correct about 1976 being the last year for the FE in pick-ups. Could have been some left overs in '77.

I used to have a 1979 F-100 2wd sb that went through a series of engines. It came with a 302 then I installed a 351C 4V CJ, 460, 460, 429, 428, 460. All of them I was able to use the stock engine mount perches. However, as I recall, I had to move them either forward or back for the 428.
The '89 has a 300/6 in it right now and I will have to change perches. I'm hoping to use the 5.0/5.8 perches and just mount them where the 410 needs them.
I'll share my installation once it's all together.   

[BigBlueIron]

[/quote]
I used to have a 1979 F-100 2wd sb that went through a series of engines. It came with a 302 then I installed a 351C 4V CJ, 460, 460, 429, 428, 460. All of them I was able to use the stock engine mount perches. However, as I recall, I had to move them either forward or back for the 428.
The '89 has a 300/6 in it right now and I will have to change perches. I'm hoping to use the 5.0/5.8 perches and just mount them where the 410 needs them.
I'll share my installation once it's all together.
[/quote]

You sir are hard on engines and a glutton for punishment! I'd like to see how it turns out.

[RJP]

The crank is at the machine shop. 

I sold a marine 351w to a gentleman from the Redding area and asked if he knew of the shop I wanted to send the crank. He said yes and not only that, had previously had them do work on his Y-block and was very happy with the work.
Anyhow, I asked him if he would mind delivering it to the shop for me and he was happy to. Nice kid.
I took a little off the price of the 351 for his trouble.

So, waiting to hear back if the crank is salvageable.

410bruce, What shop did you send your crank to? I'm in the Bay Area and the last crank grinder just closed up shop a week or so ago. I know of no shops in my area that grinds cranks which would mean I will have to travel to get a crank done. Any help? TIA

[67428GT500]

Bay Area? I'm sorry..lol 

[410bruce]

I used to have a 1979 F-100 2wd sb that went through a series of engines. It came with a 302 then I installed a 351C 4V CJ, 460, 460, 429, 428, 460. All of them I was able to use the stock engine mount perches. However, as I recall, I had to move them either forward or back for the 428.
The '89 has a 300/6 in it right now and I will have to change perches. I'm hoping to use the 5.0/5.8 perches and just mount them where the 410 needs them.
I'll share my installation once it's all together.
[/quote]

You sir are hard on engines and a glutton for punishment! I'd like to see how it turns out.
[/quote]
Lol. Nah, it was more experimentation than anything. Thanks. 

[410bruce]

The crank is at the machine shop. 

I sold a marine 351w to a gentleman from the Redding area and asked if he knew of the shop I wanted to send the crank. He said yes and not only that, had previously had them do work on his Y-block and was very happy with the work.
Anyhow, I asked him if he would mind delivering it to the shop for me and he was happy to. Nice kid.
I took a little off the price of the 351 for his trouble.

So, waiting to hear back if the crank is salvageable.

410bruce, What shop did you send your crank to? I'm in the Bay Area and the last crank grinder just closed up shop a week or so ago. I know of no shops in my area that grinds cranks which would mean I will have to travel to get a crank done. Any help? TIA

L&M Grinding in Redding, CA.  http://www.buzzfile.com/business/L.And.M-Grinding-530-221-7652

Pretty hot over there right now. His hours at this time are 6:30am-2:00pm Tuesday-Thursday.

Owners name is Mario. Really good guy to deal with.

[410bruce]

Just spoke with Mario on the phone. Cranks done. Mains cleaned up at .020 and the rods at .010. Excellent! 

[67428GT500]

Did you have him grind to the low side of tolerances?

[410bruce]

Did you have him grind to the low side of tolerances?

I left it up to him. I would imagine he set it up at whatever clearance Ford calls for.

[67428GT500]

As a habit, I have always had them grind to the low side of tolerance to allow for adequate clearances. I try to keep .002-.0025. Better than playing the bearing game being there are few offerings if the clearances are an issue short of returning the crank to the grinder. Make sure they did a nice chamfer for you as well.

I can't wait to get home this week.  Don't mind me.
                                                                        -Keith

[410bruce]

Got the crank back about a week ago but just now unpacked it.

Ain't she purdy?

Super-quick turn around time. I think it was only at his shop for 3 days before it was on its way back to me. Two thumbs up for Mario and L&M Grinding!

[410bruce]

Man, trying to post pictures on here is painful!! 

Ah, here we go.

[shady]

Bruce, I import my pics into paint and hit the resize tab & resize them to 30%. First hit all programs, then hit accessories, then hit paint, then at the top is says crop-resize-rorate, hit resize & where it says 100% click on that and change it to 30%. Then when you go to your my pics file, you can import them into jay's site  and they will upload real quick & be a nice size to view.

[67428GT500]

Looks good, Bruce!

[410bruce]

Bruce, I import my pics into paint and hit the resize tab & resize them to 30%. First hit all programs, then hit accessories, then hit paint, then at the top is says crop-resize-rorate, hit resize & where it says 100% click on that and change it to 30%. Then when you go to your my pics file, you can import them into jay's site  and they will upload real quick & be a nice size to view.

Uuuuhhhhhhhh.............okay?    I'm not that computer/tech savvy.
Thanks for trying to help, though. 

[410bruce]

Looks good, Bruce!

Thanks Keith! 

[410bruce]

Oooooooookaaaaaaayyy. Will be moving forward on this build soon but it will be going into a different rig--if I don't change my mind again.
Check this out. Tell me if you think I'm a boob for doing this.

I picked up a 2003 3.8 V-6 auto Mustang that needs help. Supposedly has a blown head gasket but still runs and drives. Both air bags are blown and it has had some front end sheet metal (and fiberglass) replaced. Still a clean title though.
Yank the current drive train and install a strong running 410/C-6 combo.

I think it would be sweet! Most definitely something different!

What do you think?

[frnkeore]

Bruce,
After seeing your info on Mario, i called him, last Wed. He is only 160 miles South of me.

A great guy to talk to and he's been in the business for 50 years. I believe, before moving to Redding, he work at a shop that built Sprint Cars. He will also do off set grinding on rod throws. That's what I was inquiring about.

Are you in Shasta or Siskiyou Co. I lived in Yreka, for 10 years, before moving here.

[410bruce]

Bruce,
After seeing your info on Mario, i called him, last Wed. He is only 160 miles South of me.

A great guy to talk to and he's been in the business for 50 years. I believe, before moving to Redding, he work at a shop that built Sprint Cars. He will also do off set grinding on rod throws. That's what I was inquiring about.

Are you in Shasta or Siskiyou Co. I lived in Yreka, for 10 years, before moving here.

Hi Frank. I'm on the coast in Eureka--Humboldt County. I'm about 160 miles east of Redding.

[frnkeore]

I know Eureka well. I have visited, near by Ferndale, quite a few times and was married there, in 2002.

[410bruce]

I know Eureka well. I have visited, near by Ferndale, quite a few times and was married there, in 2002.

Huh, no kidding! Small world! Ferndale's a nice little town.

So what town do you call home?

[frnkeore]

I live in Central Point, Oregon. 10 mi North of Medford.

I've been all over the coast, from WA, down to Ukia, CA and every cross road from I-5 to the coast, in Oregon & CA. I'm a old Formula Car racer and love those drives. Not so much, my passengers

[410bruce]

Got the heads back from the machine shop. They checked out good but the deck was a little off on one so they did a .003 cut on both.
The chambers cc'd at 71.

Hmm...looks like I haven't mentioned the heads I received from Keith.
They are the C6AE-Rs that were on his 428. Cobra-Jet stainless valves and set up with dual springs.

[MeanGene]

Mario used to work out of my neighbor's speed shop in Napa, which does a lot of roundy-rounder stuff. He is very, very good

[410bruce]

That's cool, Gene. Yes, he is very good.


Working on getting a 428 block. In talks right now for a service block from a 1969 Shelby GT500. Date code is March of 1974. Evidently the original 428CJ was blown up in 1973.

[475fetoploader]

I have a 428 service block that I am considering selling. It’s .020 over at 4.155.  I took the minimum off to square deck it. About .006. It’s a nice sound block, not sure what it’s worth...

[GJCAT427]

Werbyford, do you think a set of FT rams horns would hinder the breathing on the 410 build you outlined? I know there truck headers and need the crossover port plugged (easy to do), but it would make the swap easier in the latter chassie.  I` thinking of doing a 410 for my 64 F350 to tow with and don`t want to do tube headers. Rams horns were aviable for the y block and added some torque. I`m figuring it could help the 410.
 

[410bruce]

Well, the block deal fell through.

[410bruce]

I have a 428 service block that I am considering selling. It’s .020 over at 4.155.  I took the minimum off to square deck it. About .006. It’s a nice sound block, not sure what it’s worth...

PM sent.

[410bruce]

Okay, looks like I'll be using the original C7ME-A block. It'll only be 10 or 12 cubic inches less than a 428 but it's still not a 428.
Not a lot of street cred associated with a 410. You know, when someone asks "What do you have in that thing?" A 428. "Sweet!" As opposed to: "What do you have in that thing?" A 410. "Oh. What's that?" lol. That's okay. I think she'll run good.

Ordered a cam and lifters from Brent. Also got a Performer RPM intake coming from him. Nice guy and a good deal. Thanks Brent!

After speaking with him for a bit, I decided to go with a hydraulic flat tappet as opposed to the hydraulic roller.

[e philpott]

install 352 emblems and really surprise them . I have a 410/416 and there was a local 67 Fairlane 427 bone stock at a show and my friend asked what would happen if we raced ? I looked at him and said it would look like I had the 427 and he the a 390  

[410bruce]

install 352 emblems and really surprise them . I have a 410/416 and there was a local 67 Fairlane 427 bone stock at a show and my friend asked what would happen if we raced ? I looked at him and said it would look like I had the 427 and he the a 390

Nice.

[410bruce]

Well, dang it. Unfortunately I can't post pictures here anymore period, so I'm going to continue this build over at the other site. It was extremely tough to post pics at the beginning and now, for whatever reason, it's impossible. The smilies have never worked for me either.
It's probably something to do with my browser or PC but I'm tired of fighting with it.
Maybe I'll keep posting updates here, just no pics. I'll see what happens.

Thanks.

[410bruce]

Testing.

[My427stang]

put (IMG)   (/IMG) before and after your picture address but replace what I just posted there with brackets instead of parentheses (I did that to not confuse the website that I was posting a pic)

[410bruce]

Thanks Ross, I tried but didn't work. Did I do it correctly?

Got it!  Thank you!

[410bruce]

Well, haven't done much at all since receiving the parts from Brent. I did order some stuff from Summit yesterday--birthday presents to myself.  Connecting rods, bearings and timing set.
Still holding out hope for a 428 block before totally committing to the 410.

Been thinking of having the heads ported since I already have them but then again, a nice set of TFS aluminums would be sweet. If nothing else, for the weight savings, being this engine will be going in the '67 Cougar.

[410bruce]

This is the car. Needs a ton of work. Has a 289 and 3-speed floor shift now. A toploader will be going behind the FE. 

[turbohunter]

Nice blank canvas.
How’s the rust sitch?

[410bruce]

Nice blank canvas.
How’s the rust sitch?

Thanks. Rust? Plenty for everyone! lol.
In front of and behind the rear wheel wells, all of the floor pans, rear window lower corners, the hood is junk, some shock tower crust.
I'll take care of it a little at a time. Do up the floor pans and engine bay first just to make it drivable. Paint will be last.
It isn't going to be a show car, just want a fun, reliable driver. So, will repair what's needed to make it drive and look decent.

[turbohunter]

Cool
I’m with you, fix ‘em to drive ‘em.
Good luck.

[475fetoploader]

Great looking project, I’m looking forward to the progress reports to come.

[410bruce]

Thanks guys. 

[cjshaker]

Thanks. Rust? Plenty for everyone! lol.
In front of and behind the rear wheel wells, all of the floor pans, rear window lower corners, the hood is junk, some shock tower crust.
I'll take care of it a little at a time. Do up the floor pans and engine bay first just to make it drivable. Paint will be last.

Sounds and looks like Frieburger's Disgustang when he first got it...lol But as long as you've got decent floorpans, and the car is structurally sound, that's good enough for a driver. Window channel rust is a PITA.

Are you keeping the wheels? I like them, and the stance. Gives it an old school vibe.

[410bruce]

Thanks. Rust? Plenty for everyone! lol.
In front of and behind the rear wheel wells, all of the floor pans, rear window lower corners, the hood is junk, some shock tower crust.
I'll take care of it a little at a time. Do up the floor pans and engine bay first just to make it drivable. Paint will be last.

Sounds and looks like Frieburger's Disgustang when he first got it...lol But as long as you've got decent floorpans, and the car is structurally sound, that's good enough for a driver. Window channel rust is a PITA.

Are you keeping the wheels? I like them, and the stance. Gives it an old school vibe.

Yeah, I dig the wheels as well, Doug. I feel the same as you. The problem is, the rears are wide enough that you can see where the wheel well inner lip has been rubbing the outer sidewalls, even with the longer shackles on the rear of the leafs. lol. I have some smaller "tubine" style rims off of my '74 Cougar on it now. They don't look as cool but still kinda fit the look.

[410bruce]

Woo Hoo! Scored a 428! Happy happy joy joy! lol. Yes, I am excited. 

[475fetoploader]

Excellent! Glad you got one.

[410bruce]

Excellent! Glad you got one.

Thanks, man!

[410bruce]

Some pics.




Is this a CJ intake?

[turbohunter]

Yup

[410bruce]

Well, since the 428 really wasn't a 428 and the cylinder walls were super thin, I'm back to the 410.

Took the block to the machine shop, cleaned and sonic checked it again--plenty of meat in the cylinders.

The parts going in the short block:

The factory 1U crank from this engine.
New old stock TRW forged .030 pistons.
Eagle H-beam rods.
Ford Racing multi keyway double roller timing set.
Custom hydraulic flat tappet camshaft and lifters from Brent Lykins.

Will keep the cam if I go with aluminum heads which I'm leaning toward at this time but if I change my mind and go with factory iron, I may go with a more aggressive one.

It was mentioned in one of my other threads that I need to make a plan and stick with it. That is true.
This thread began as a street build wanting 400 horsepower with iron parts. I may go with that original plan. I will make that final decision when it's time to install heads on the assembled short block.

[blykins]

Well, since the 428 really wasn't a 428 and the cylinder walls were super thin, I'm back to the 410.

Took the block to the machine shop, cleaned and sonic checked it again--plenty of meat in the cylinders.

The parts going in the short block:

The factory 1U crank from this engine.
New old stock TRW forged .030 pistons.
Eagle H-beam rods.
Ford Racing multi keyway double roller timing set.
Custom hydraulic flat tappet camshaft and lifters from Brent Lykins.

Will keep the cam if I go with aluminum heads which I'm leaning toward at this time but if I change my mind and go with factory iron, I may go with a more aggressive one.

It was mentioned in one of my other threads that I need to make a plan and stick with it. That is true.
This thread began as a street build wanting 400 horsepower with iron parts. I may go with that original plan. I will make that final decision when it's time to install heads on the assembled short block.

May wanna decide now before you knock pistons in.  TFS heads are smaller chamber and they also have large valves, which could cause a problem with valve  clearance with an aftermarket cam.

[410bruce]

Thank you for the info., Brent. If that's the case, then I probably won't go with the TFS heads. I'm not going to change pistons now. Need to use what I have. So that pretty much leaves me with factory iron or the Edelbrocks. We'll see what happens.
Regardless, 400 horsepower in a '67 Cougar will be fun.

[410bruce]

Well, just ordered a bare set of the Edelbrocks. Purchased a set of new CJ size stainless SI valves from a forum member and they are on the way as well. Will order a spring package when I'm sure of the cam that will be used. Going to get back with Brent on that.

I nearly went with factory iron. Dug through my parts again and came up with a bare set of C6AE-Rs. They looked nice but needed 7 broken exhaust bolts removed between the two. That, with all the machine work needed as well (mentioned in the other thread), and the fact of the aluminum being lighter and better detonation resistance, swayed me to the Edelbrocks.
I would really like to build an all-iron engine some day, though.

I'll post up some pics as the build progresses.

I would also like to thank you all for being patient with me asking questions and my seemingly incessant mind changing.
Just always trying to get the best bang for the buck as I'm on a very limited budget, ie=not rich.   

[WConley]

Sounds like you made a good choice 

[410bruce]

Well, more good news. 
Started gutting what was left of the interior of the Cougar and found way more rust--not just heavy surface rust but holes and super-thin areas that you can push a finger through. It's creeping up the firewall, the passenger side A pillar is pretty junky, found holes in the roof above the windshield, inner fender splash panels falling apart etc. etc. etc.
I've decided to throw in the towel on this car and have put it up for sale. 

So now, I have a nice 410 going together and no place to put it.
Been scanning CL and FB marketplace for another suitable Ford or Mercury 2 door car but anything not needing a ton of work is way out of my price range.
I suppose I could revert back to installing it in my '89 F-150--which is what the original plan was--and would make the most sense from an economical standpoint.
BUT, I am planning a 521 stroker build for the '74 Cougar. The 460 that's in it now I built last year and has about 200 miles on it, if that. It would make a nice engine for the F-150 and would be period correct.
If I went that route, then I guess I'd put the 410 stuff up for sale. 

I don't know. I'm just feeling a little bummed and defeated at the moment.

[turbohunter]

Bummed for ya Bruce.
Lemme ask you this. How far up the firewall and do you know if the cowl is rotted also?
A quick test is to pour water down through the vents and see if it comes out below.
Also, any pics of the rust? Maybe we could help you evaluate.
I don’t know how much the Cougar platform is supported as far as metal but if it’s anything like the mustang you could build an entire car.

[410bruce]

Thanks Marc. I can get pretty much every body panel for this car but the work involved to do it will cost me a fortune I'm sure.
Here's a link to my CL ad for pictures of some of the rust.  https://humboldt.craigslist.org/pts/d/cutten-1967-mercury-cougar-parts-car/7274570911.html

[turbohunter]

Oh my, that is a project.
Seriously it looks like it would take every body panel to fix it and with rust like that I’m sure the cowl is gone too.
That’s a multi year project.
Sorry Bruce.

[Gaugster]

Bummer that this Cougar was so rough. I totally understand not wanting to deal with a total restoration though. I hope you find a good solid roller soon.

[410bruce]

Thanks guys.

[410bruce]

The Cougar build is back on! 

It turns out my friend (who also happens to be my boss) has not only a background of fabrication but also paint and body work. He's going to help me out with this thing. I ordered the floor pans this morning. 

[475fetoploader]

I’m glad you found a resource, and you’re going to fix her. This was turning into somewhat of a heartbreaker.  Good for you.

[turbohunter]

Well you have a bunch of work ahead of you, just know that. You’ll probably find more carnage under the skin.
However the feeling you have when you’ve saved a zombie is pretty darn good.
It’s a noble cause.
Good luck.

[Gaugster]

Great news! WCCC has been announcing more and more sheet metal pieces coming to market. Keep us updated.

[410bruce]

Thanks guys! Definitely will keep updates.

I know this thing will never be cherry but if it can be made structurally sound and not look like a rusty rolling dumpster, I'll be happy. 

[gregaba]

On the Cougar bodywork be sure and do the water test. I have just spent 3 years replacing all the rust in my dads 71 Ranchero and the cowls were rusted.
I repaired them but to prevent this from happening to a future owner I made 2 polycarbonite caps for the cowl vents and sealed them out. If you have factory you can't use recirculate air and will have to just use max air.
I installed a Vintage Air unit that doesn't use the fresh air vents.
Be sure to check the torque box's as when I took a small hammer to mine it went though so I had to cut out the bottom and weld in new bottoms. The sides and top were OK.
You will all so want to check the front crossmember that runs under the radiator [6 to 8 inchs back] as they are open on both ends and the dirt packs in and rust them out.
I had to use my air hammer to get the dirt out and then reweld the new bottom metal on it.
A lot of fun but will not have to worry about it again for another 50 years.
Greg

[410bruce]

The 410 is finally home and ready for assembly. The block looks awesome. The decks were considerably out of square but that was taken care of.
The heads are still at the machine shop as we are waiting on one inner valve spring to arrive. One was missing from the new Comp Cams dual spring kit.

Now, what rig was this engine going into? Hmmm.... 

[475fetoploader]

Awesome! Must feel great to be moving forward with your project.  I drag raced quite a bit late 90’s to early 2000’s. I’m getting back in the game now. Comp was my go to for many things without a problem. I have 3 sets of springs scattered on my bench right now, 30 lbs variance in each set. I never had that issue before. Interesting that you were just short a random inner. Besides the variance, they always go to the low side, so I’m shimming .030 more than anticipated.  Oops a little rant. Anyway glad you’re back in business!

[410bruce]

Thanks man! Yeah, it seems quality control has taken a hit in many aspects of life as of late. Such is the times we live in, I guess.

Cool that you're getting back into drag racing. A very family oriented pastime. I dabbled in it several years ago. It was a lot of fun.

[410bruce]

Haven't done anything else to the 410 yet but I did replenish my big block inventory a little yesterday. Picked up a complete 460 and what I believe to be a 390. Could be a 360. Both were on a pallet just waiting for me to bring them home.
The 460 is a smogger, between a '79 and probably '82. The FE block is a date code of 2G13, C8AE-H heads, C5-G 4V intake. More than likely out of a truck as the clutch and flywheel are still attached.
The heads are much cleaner than the block and have one of those round thingies glued to them that shops apply after machine work.

[410bruce]

A couple pics of the 390.




And one of the 460.



This post was more for refreshing my memory on how to post pics on this website.
I'll have more of the 410 as it goes together.

[Skeeter65]

410bruce, I know it's probably too soon to tell but when you get a chance, let me know what condition that flywheel is in on the 390. I will be in the market for one in the not so distant future.

SKEETER65

[410bruce]

410bruce, I know it's probably too soon to tell but when you get a chance, let me know what condition that flywheel is in on the 390. I will be in the market for one in the not so distant future.

SKEETER65

Will do, Skeeter.

[410bruce]

Well, to put a cap on this thread, I sold all the 410 stuff. Needed to regain some capitol to put into the car itself--which you guys know needs a ton of work.
Still would like to build an all factory iron engine. Just not sure if it will be an FE, the 4V Cleveland or even the 289 that's in the car. If I do the 289, I will possibly spring for a set of good performance heads.

Thanks to those who responded here. As always, much appreciated.

[gdaddy01]

are you changing your name ? better get some of the afr heads , before quality goes down , if you go with the 289

[410bruce]

are you changing your name ? better get some of the afr heads , before quality goes down , if you go with the 289

Nah, it's not the coolest name but I was named after my dad, so I'm keeping it. 

[gdaddy01]

I was just talking about the 410 part , sold your 410 stuff .

[410bruce]

I was just talking about the 410 part , sold your 410 stuff .

I know, I was kidding around. 

It's possible I still may end up with a 410. I have that engine pictured a few posts back, plus one more 428 crank. So, who knows.

[410bruce]

Okay guys, kind of a strange turn of events.
 Some of you may know I started a thread on the other site about building a GT390 specification 390. Well, it has morphed into building it into a (loosely based) spec. NHRA legal 390GT engine. It has continued to morph and I will be using my spare 1U crank. Soooooooo.....back to building a 410. lol.
Since it will be a 410, I think I'll keep updates on the build here as well--if you're is interested. Maybe even if you aren't. 

So anyway, what I have now, is a standard bore '72 105 block that will be bored + .030, the 1U crank, stock rods, a custom hydraulic flat tappet cam and lifters, as well as the matching valve spring package from Brent, 428 Police Interceptor intake from werbyford and a set of C6AE-R heads I'm building from scratch. Will be doing some minor home porting on them. A nice set of Mercury script pentroof valve covers from 428kid will top it off.

[The Magic Ratchet]

I'm interested!

Lou Manglass

[410bruce]

Well, cool! Thank you, Lou. 

Some goodies showed up from Brent. 

Also, ended up buying back a set of C6AE-R heads I sold last year, that I had previously bought from a forum member on here. They are the factory heads off of his 1967 Shelby GT500. They are set up with stainless CJ valves and dual springs. They only have a few hundred miles on them because unfortunately, he rebuilt the 428 and had a cylinder split. He built another engine and upgraded to different heads.

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[410bruce]

Having trouble posting pictures, again. 

[410bruce]

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[410bruce]

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[410bruce]

To put a cap on this, it morphed backwards back into a 390 and using the C7AE-A heads from the original 410 I started with.
Original block (cleaned, machined, .030, cam bearings and freeze plugs installed), crank, (checked out good) and rods from the 390. ARP rod bolts, reconned rods, Silvolite hyper flat top pistons, cast iron "S" intake and Comp Cams 268-H camshaft.
Will hopefully be assembling it in the next couple of weeks.
Headers will be installed after cam break-in.
This engine is going back into my friends '73 F250 2wd that it originally came in.

Sorry for the anti-climactic end to this thread. I appreciate all who posted on it and to those who simply clicked on and viewed it.

Hope everyone has an awesome new year!