CVR Electric Water Pump Adapters for the FE

[fetorino]

Jay I miss read this at first.  Here is one I'll look for another better shot.



I'll go look at my Failrane and snap a picture

[ScotiaFE]

I could do some measuring if you need.
I have a 390 complete on a stand with power steering brackets and pump.
Still has the vintage belts on it. lol

[fetorino]

Jay I e-mailed you some more pictures.  The motor is in the car so it's hard to get a good clean shot.

[jayb]

Jay I e-mailed you some more pictures.  The motor is in the car so it's hard to get a good clean shot.

Thanks for the pics Rob, those are EXACTLY what I needed   

[fe66comet]

I have the pump brackets both installed and not for PS I could send some pics to you if you like Jay

[fe66comet]

Really I do not need them right now I could mail them to you, I have two different styles. One is cast the other steel.

[Heo]

I have a complete unmounted P/S set dont remember if
it mounts on the water pump i can check tomorow(late
night here now)and take pics

[jayb]

Really I do not need them right now I could mail them to you, I have two different styles. One is cast the other steel.

Thanks, I appreciate the offer, but with the pics that Rob sent I've got what I need - Jay

[fe66comet]

NP anytime I am no expert but if I can help give me a shout.

[fetorino]

Looks great.  Looking forward to buying a set.  Thanks for doing all that hard work.

BTW, will the adapters use o-ring seals or regular gaskets?

I was figuring on just setting it up for gaskets, because you never know if the block surface would be good enough for an O-ring seal.  But I could also put an O-ring groove in there, I suppose.  That would offer an advantage for assembly and disassembly.  I'll have to think about that...

That would be a good idea if there is enough meat around the passage to put a stout enough ring.

On the why build these debate. The Meziere pump is $433 and only flows 42 gpm with a 6-7 amp draw and 3,000 hr service life per Meziere.

http://www.summitracing.com/parts/mez-wp170b/overview/make/ford

The CVR pump is $243 and will flow 55 gph at 6.1 amp draw and per the manufacturer has a 10,000 hr service life.

http://www.summitracing.com/parts/cvs-8000bk/overview/

If Jays adapters are $200 that means you get a better pump for $10 more.

Then add the fact that Jay is building them to accept the stock alt and PS pump brackets where there is no such option with the Meziere and it really becomes a no brainer.

If he adds an o-ring that may be over the top.

I just want mine with serial #1 and an autograph.

[BruceS]

Rob, thanks for pointing those advantages out.  If your request is granted would those adapters be known as the Jay Brown signature series? 

[jayb]

Sheesh you guys, I don't know how I'm going to sign a piece of aluminum

[fe66comet]

Maybe you should start your own line of parts like Jay's ware or Jay's specialties or I know Jay's rocket FEs inc.

[Chad D]

Sheesh you guys, I don't know how I'm going to sign a piece of aluminum

Mebbe one of those new fangled pantograph machines ;-)

[jayb]

Well, a little wrinkle developed in this project today.  I spent most of yesterday and today machining one of the adapters for the left side of the engine.  In order to get one done as soon as possible I decided to do one of the versions without any of the bracket attachment points, so I could at least mock up the complete setup and check to make sure the whole assembly would bolt to the engine.  Again I made a few mistakes in the programming along the way, but got a pretty usable part in the end.  This week I'd also ordered one of my own CVR pumps so I didn't have to use Rob's to keep mocking things up.  Late this afternoon after I got the left side adapter finished I bolted it onto the pump and then bolted the whole assembly onto the engine.  Everything went together really well, and it looked pretty good:



When I ordered the water pump this week I also ordered one of the inlet tubes for the pump, so I could see how that looked in relation to the rest of the engine.  I didn't like what I saw when I looked at that:



The tube, unfortunately, aims right at the fuel pump mounting pad.  There is just no room to put a lower radiator hose on this tube in the position that it is in.  Also, the tubes from CVR are only available for up to a 1.75" ID lower radiator hose.  Most FEs take a bigger hose; my Edelbrock pump measures 2.1" for the OD of the inlet pipe, and 2.275" for the "barb" section at the very end, that the hose has to slip over.  The hose size probably isn't a major problem, but the location surely is.

The CVR tube that I bought is the short version, for a 1.5" ID hose.  This one could be shortened about an inch, so that the rubber radiator hose could be installed.  The larger diameter version, though, won't work if you just shorten it, because the edge of the tube would be too close to the timing cover; I don't think there's any way you could get the radiator hose to slide over the tube because it would be squeezed too tight between the tube and the timing cover.  Here's a picture of the CVR tube I bought, unscrewed from the water pump:



Just mulling over the alternatives, one option would be to buy some mandrel bent aluminum tubing, and weld a 30 degree bend into the middle of tube, to point the inlet away from the fuel pump mounting pad on the timing cover.  Or I could try to machine one with a bend in it, which would be very complicated but probably do-able. 

What do you guys think?