So to summarize the spirited competition of words, GTECH, timeslips of a different car, here is what has been posted.
Thanks to all for a fun thread so far.
Timeslips:
V6eco 432fe
ShinyRed DogBlue
1.93 1.99 60ft
5.46 5.17 330ft
8.38 7.71 1/8 et
84.8 99.2 1/8 mph
10.88 9.88 1000 ft
13.04 11.71 ¼ et
104.6 123.4 ¼ mph
Gonkulator: (The Gonkulator assumes those 482 EFI issues are sorted out, and the same nominal weather for all, not a cold “mineshaft” day for the Cougar. I used 2800 stall for the 482 FE truck though we don't know the real value. 2400 stall was about .05 sec slower so it doesn't matter much except for being a lot slushier. I adjusted traction in the Cougar to match 60ft but the v6 truck 60ft was so close I left the Gonk alone. I also used a 5mph tailwind for ALL the Gonkulator runs below, to be consistent, and since it seemed to fit what was going on better. That adds about 1mph in trap speed.
Here is what the Gonkulator says about the two ENGINES we are comparing:
482fe w=4000 44t586 63p619
432fe w=3500 47t534 62p571 (edited to 432cid per post below instead of 470cid)
And here are the Gonkulator “timeslips” for Truck (T) and Cougar [C]:
T1 T2 T3 C1 C2
V6 V6 482FE 432FE 432FE
100-05 100-05 100-05 100-05 105-10
522r417r 436r334r 414r392r 423r433r 445r456r
Modern Modern ShinyRed DogBlue DogBlue
1.93 1.95 1.95 1.99 1.99 60ft
5.18 5.40 5.25 5.21 5.18 330ft
7.89 8.31 7.96 7.80 7.72 1/8 et
90.6 84.5 91.1 95.0 96.8 1/8 mph
10.53 11.13 10.62 10.31 10.19 1000 ft
12.28 13.02 12.31 11.90 11.74 ¼ et
111.8 104.2 112.5 121.2 123.9 ¼ mph
Observations:
1. V6 Truck: The Gonkulator would have a really hard time getting that chassis-dyno 532 Torq 420 Power to line up with the 13.02 at 104.2mph timeslip.
2. T1: Fiddling with the Gonk, I ginned up a V6 that showed 522 Torq 417 Power rear wheel (pretty close). The 4700-lb-down-the-track Truck Gonked to 12.28 at 111.8mph with that much under the hood.
3. T2: I had to fiddle DOWN the rear wheel to about 436 Torq 334 Power to slow the Lil Red Truck down to 13.02 at 104.2.
4. T3: If I then swap the 482 FE in and somehow the total weight goes down 700 lb to WT=4000, and somehow the EFI is able to infer the right A/F in spite of that close 106 LSA cam, the Gonk result is 12.31 at 112.5.
5. That 12.31 at 112.5 would be a very close race compared to how the V6 truck SHOULD run [12.28 at 111.8], but would blow the doors off what the v6 truck HAS run (13.02 at 104.2). So TimeWarp, your 2 trucks should have a fun race. Reading all your comments I would STILL go smaller on the cam if it were me. You will still blow off that overrated computer-era v6 and the big smooth-cam 482 will behave more like your sensible 352 family truck.
6. BENCH RACE SHOOTOUT T3 vs C1: And, I don’t think the Dog Blue Cougar is in sight either way. Comparing Run T3 and Run C1 (the bench race we originally agreed on but cant do because the Truck has not been timed at all), it’s not even close. The 482 FE truck at WT=4000 down the track Gonks to 12.31 at 112.5, whereas the 432 FE Cougar at WT=3500 Gonks to 11.90 at 121.2, using a 5mph tailwind for both.
7. C2: The final C2 Gonkulator run is meant to duplicate what Paulie actually got on his Gtech in that mineshaft cold weather, 11.74 at 123.9mph with about 5% better air than the Bench Race Shootout run C1 and 5mph more tailwind.
This was like listening to the Beach Boys’ “Shut Down” in slow motion! Lots of memories.
I’m sure we’ve all won & lost to a car by a fraction of a fender.
Kinda like that – its like that final few seconds is lasting for days.
