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CaptCobrajet

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More on the "small FE" idea....
« on: October 07, 2016, 10:29:24 PM »
I think it is cool that there is interest in small cube FEs.  I thought I would share a neat combo with the group.  I have two of these in-process at the moment.  One with H304P budget pistons, and one with my custom CP Bullet "390" pistons.  I used 351M-400 rods.  Strong, available, and inexpensive.  They are safe to 600 hp in past testing.  The width is very close.  The 3.5 stroke crank is turned down to 2.310, and offset ground to 3.625 stroke.  A touch-up at the cheeks for the width, and a nice radius, and really a nice combo.  It uses a 1.760 c/h 390 piston, 6.58 rod, 3.625 stroke.  380 high rpm-capable, all economy and available stuff, and it comes out 10.152 deck height.  I am working on a Small bore Pro Port head, that may end up being a small bore casting collaberation with BBM down the road, after some R&D.  I have one already with a CNC program for Super Stock 352s, but I need to adjust the flange location to a stock MR much like my "Street Pro Port".  The head will have 145 CC runners, 2.09 intake valve, and 315 cfm.  The exhaust will be the exhaust I already have with a 1.57 valve and 230 cfm capability.  Money saved on the shortblock, without having to buy " custom" pistons and costly machining of BBC rod adaptations can be spent on a killer bolt-on head for small bores.  At 2.09/1.600 valve sizes, and an efficient chamber, my plan is an affordable, killer performance, small bore head, and an economical and efficient 380-ish cube combo with parts that don't break the bank, or confuse the machinist!

The small head will also be VERY good for 4.125 and 4.250 strokers in street duty cars, trucks, and 4x4s.  Lots of FEs out there that all these big-ported cylinder heads have forgotten.  The small head will make a torque beast out of any 352/390 based engine,  strokers included.  I will post in the dyno section when these are done.  One will get a mild hydraulic roller, the other a solid roller bumpstick and 11:1.  Stay tuned!
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Re: More on the "small FE" idea....
« Reply #1 on: October 07, 2016, 11:15:42 PM »
I have a set of max dome 396 pistons that might interest you, 427/361 crank

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Re: More on the "small FE" idea....
« Reply #2 on: October 07, 2016, 11:39:11 PM »
Thanks Gene, but I'm going to be 57cc chambers....no domes..
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Re: More on the "small FE" idea....
« Reply #3 on: October 08, 2016, 01:27:28 AM »
Are you saying I should start saving my 3.5 stroke cranks?  I normally just scrap them, two at this moment.


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Re: More on the "small FE" idea....
« Reply #4 on: October 08, 2016, 03:20:01 AM »
Is that stock 351-400 rods? or is there an aftermarket rod?



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Re: More on the "small FE" idea....
« Reply #5 on: October 08, 2016, 07:38:18 AM »
BP would need to answer that Heo but those rods are pretty darned good and have been used in many a SBF
build. Bet it's OEM all the way with minor cleanup, maybe shot-peening and re-sizing. We'll see.   
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Re: More on the "small FE" idea....
« Reply #6 on: October 08, 2016, 08:33:12 AM »
I have read that the 400 rod is weak  I had an idea where the 400
rod had fitted but when i heard they where weak and att that time
there were no aftermarket rods for 400 so....



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Re: More on the "small FE" idea....
« Reply #7 on: October 08, 2016, 08:42:26 AM »
I used a set in an early 351 stroker, before there were common kits out like they are now.  It was likely a 450-475 hp motor and ran for years and years.  So certainly not a deep breather like these, but it got run hard for a long time with standard prep and good bolts.  Of course it just dawned on me that it was likely 17 or 18 years ago :)  so used parts were a bit less used back then LOL
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Re: More on the "small FE" idea....
« Reply #8 on: October 08, 2016, 09:07:42 AM »
I'll take your unwanted 3.5” cranks, I have two builds planned in my future.   ;)
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Re: More on the "small FE" idea....
« Reply #9 on: October 08, 2016, 09:19:28 AM »
There is a guy who is making rods for the 400M crowd, and I'm sure they are better, but the idea was to keep costs down.  Most of those stock rods spent their lives in trucks, LTD IIs, T-birds, and Lincolns with no compression, no rpm, and no power.  If they mag okay, my thought is they will be fine.  People used to stroke 428 cranks and use them back before the aftermarket rods came, so they will be fine in smaller, shorter stroke apps.
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Re: More on the "small FE" idea....
« Reply #10 on: October 08, 2016, 09:38:40 AM »
I wouldn't be afraid of them either.

Here is the aftermarket rod though, says it's a Molnar and lighter than stock.

http://www.tmeyerinc.com/product-p/tbp-400cr.htm
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Re: More on the "small FE" idea....
« Reply #11 on: October 08, 2016, 10:12:35 AM »
Yep, that is the rod.   Now, if a person turboed the small engine......that would be the way to go, and a modified 361 truck crank............
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Re: More on the "small FE" idea....
« Reply #12 on: October 08, 2016, 01:54:00 PM »
Lots of small bock guys out there running high 8s and low 9s with inexpensive single turbos and factory blocks and some times even factory rotating assemblies in that cu in range. I don't see any reason an fe couldn't do it too.

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Re: More on the "small FE" idea....
« Reply #13 on: October 08, 2016, 02:04:34 PM »

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Re: More on the "small FE" idea....
« Reply #14 on: October 08, 2016, 02:13:19 PM »
Okay....Then i can revalue my plan with the 400 M rods



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