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Single 4 Intake
« on: October 26, 2020, 02:16:54 AM »
Can anyone ID this intake? These are the only marking on it.

I assume it's a '63 but, off a 406 or 427?
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Re: Single 4 Intake
« Reply #1 on: October 26, 2020, 07:09:37 AM »
A full picture would help, but I assume it’s a single 4 barrel? I believe the date is actually 1961 March. That would make it from a ‘61 390 high performance. It’s totally normal for those early aluminum intakes to just have the date & Ford logo, and no casting number. By the time the ‘63 & ‘64 427 LR aluminum intakes came around it was more common for Ford to put a full casting number on them.
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Re: Single 4 Intake
« Reply #2 on: October 26, 2020, 08:17:46 AM »
Agree March 3, 1961

Whether 352 or 390, would leave to the experts of what is out there for the old stuff.  390 hipo from the era certainly seems logical, hard to see in pics but would be a Ford logo and relatively low rise design. 
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Re: Single 4 Intake
« Reply #3 on: October 26, 2020, 10:56:54 AM »
Thank you, that does make since.
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Re: Single 4 Intake
« Reply #4 on: October 29, 2020, 01:06:12 AM »
X3,The 352HP and 390HP intakes are so similar I've always used the date to identify them,supposedly they increased the port volume slightly from 352 to 390 to 406 but I don't know if anyone has tried to measure them,it wouldn't surprise me if it was baloney.

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Re: Single 4 Intake
« Reply #5 on: October 29, 2020, 09:09:58 AM »
X3,The 352HP and 390HP intakes are so similar I've always used the date to identify them,supposedly they increased the port volume slightly from 352 to 390 to 406 but I don't know if anyone has tried to measure them,it wouldn't surprise me if it was baloney.

First I’ll say if Jay is reading this thread he’s probably chuckling, because both the original question and this one would likely have been answered with a copy of his book “The Great FE Intake Comparo” lol. By the way, the book is an excellent resource, everyone here should have a copy  ;D

Jay tested a 390 HP intake and has a picture of it in the section. The one he tested even had a “1B2” date, just a month before Frnkeore’s intake, although I don’t think Jay went into detail on the date codes, but the date code is noted in the book.

There are a few unique differences between the earlier 1960 352 HP aluminum intake and the later 390 HP, I learned those when I volunteered my ‘60 352 HP intake for Jay to test for his book, and folks from the old FE Forum identified it and pointed out the visual differences. The ‘60 352 HP intake can be identified by the flat carb pad, the later carb pads are angled. Also the #5 & #8 intake runners “disappear” into the deck of the intake, the runners on the later intakes extend closer to the carb pad. And the firing order on the ‘60 352 HP intake is on the rear of the intake.

And Jay did measure the port volumes of all the intakes tested for the book, and yes the volume was increased - the ‘60 352 HP intake measured 2675 cc, and the ‘61 390 HP intake measured 2950 cc. There was also a corresponding performance increase in the dyno test.

I don’t know if anyone has documented any differences between the ‘61 390 HP aluminum intake and any of the subsequent 406 & 427 LR versions? Other than the casting number eventually appearing of course.

Here’s a picture of my ‘60 352 HP intake so anyone following this can see the unique identifying features of the early intake. The intake is also pictured in Jay’s book.

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Re: Single 4 Intake
« Reply #6 on: October 29, 2020, 11:49:04 AM »
Thank you, all.

I don't have it in my hands yet, it's being shipped so, I can't tell what other porting it's had done, besides the rough looking carb pad. This is a picture of the top. I got it for a  mild (224/230 FT) 410 I'm building.

How did it fare in Jay's tests?
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Re: Single 4 Intake
« Reply #7 on: October 29, 2020, 12:18:05 PM »
It wasn't that great, unfortunately.  Better than the 352 HP manifold though...
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Re: Single 4 Intake
« Reply #8 on: October 30, 2020, 12:23:22 AM »
X3,The 352HP and 390HP intakes are so similar I've always used the date to identify them,supposedly they increased the port volume slightly from 352 to 390 to 406 but I don't know if anyone has tried to measure them,it wouldn't surprise me if it was baloney.

First I’ll say if Jay is reading this thread he’s probably chuckling, because both the original question and this one would likely have been answered with a copy of his book “The Great FE Intake Comparo” lol. By the way, the book is an excellent resource, everyone here should have a copy  ;D

Jay tested a 390 HP intake and has a picture of it in the section. The one he tested even had a “1B2” date, just a month before Frnkeore’s intake, although I don’t think Jay went into detail on the date codes, but the date code is noted in the book.

There are a few unique differences between the earlier 1960 352 HP aluminum intake and the later 390 HP, I learned those when I volunteered my ‘60 352 HP intake for Jay to test for his book, and folks from the old FE Forum identified it and pointed out the visual differences. The ‘60 352 HP intake can be identified by the flat carb pad, the later carb pads are angled. Also the #5 & #8 intake runners “disappear” into the deck of the intake, the runners on the later intakes extend closer to the carb pad. And the firing order on the ‘60 352 HP intake is on the rear of the intake.

And Jay did measure the port volumes of all the intakes tested for the book, and yes the volume was increased - the ‘60 352 HP intake measured 2675 cc, and the ‘61 390 HP intake measured 2950 cc. There was also a corresponding performance increase in the dyno test.

I don’t know if anyone has documented any differences between the ‘61 390 HP aluminum intake and any of the subsequent 406 & 427 LR versions? Other than the casting number eventually appearing of course.

Here’s a picture of my ‘60 352 HP intake so anyone following this can see the unique identifying features of the early intake. The intake is also pictured in Jay’s book.


I was aware of the different placement of the firing order but had never noticed the flat carb angle or the differences in the #5 & 8 runners,most of the early single 4 HP intakes I saw over the years were so caked with oil and dirt I would just brush by the thermostat housing to get the date in an attempt to not get my clothes dirty,its unbelievable  how many of those old intakes wound up swapped onto old pickups with 352's and 360's.Does the book you reference talk about later intakes too?I've got one of the Holman Moody C5HM  single 4's and was curious if it was a variation of the older HP's or more like the later PI's.That intake was found on a late 60's 360 pickup engine that had been swapped into a 64 Galaxie that had been sitting in a field for god knows how long.

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Re: Single 4 Intake
« Reply #9 on: October 30, 2020, 08:20:37 AM »
The book covers about 40 performance oriented intake manifolds, Ford and aftermarket.  The C5HM intake you reference is probably just like a mid 60s 427 MR 4V intake.  One of those is covered in the book - Jay
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Re: Single 4 Intake
« Reply #10 on: October 30, 2020, 01:31:26 PM »
That makes sense given the time frame,though when I installed the intake on my Starliner years ago it didn't strike me as having a MR port opening but I didn't measure it so that doesn't mean anything.I'll post some pics I took of it this morning but you can't see much being installed.Also do you have any idea how much higher the air cleaner mounting surface on a holley on a high riser single 4 will be versus that of a 428CJ?Where is the book you guys are talking about available?
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Re: Single 4 Intake
« Reply #11 on: October 30, 2020, 02:20:21 PM »
427John your HM intake looks similar to mine, here’s a full picture you can compare.

The Great FE Intake Comparo is available right from the same website as the forum here, Jay Brown the forum administrator is the author. Here’s the link:

http://www.fepower.net/GFEIC.html

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Re: Single 4 Intake
« Reply #12 on: October 30, 2020, 03:10:59 PM »
Yeah that's pretty much it,I had heard that they were made both with and without casting numbers.How long has this website  been around?I was big into FE's years ago and the only website back then was the old network 54 site,I drifted away working on my old 64 Chevy K20 and now that I am close to getting the stroker 348 finished for it,I want to get back to my 69 Cyclone CJ and make some progress on that car.I'd like to run the high riser heads and intake on the planned 482 sideoiler and am trying to determine what I need to do to retain the ram air whether it be fabricating a lower base,increasing the peak of the hood or a combination of both.

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Re: Single 4 Intake
« Reply #13 on: October 31, 2020, 08:38:49 AM »
Kevin, on that HM intake what are the 4 small tabs next to the VC rails used for?  One of them has a small pan head screw in it. I've never noticed that before. Thanks.
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Re: Single 4 Intake
« Reply #14 on: October 31, 2020, 09:21:52 AM »
Those four tabs originally were machine stops for milling the manifold, but some folks cut them down and use long bolts/studs for an air cleaner hold down, or ram air tray.  May be a different use on his manifold.  Joe-JDC
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