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Re: T/D 7020 rocker set up? Who has a set they want to part with?
« Reply #15 on: May 02, 2020, 06:30:54 AM »
Awesome information.  Thanks guys That is exactly what I was needing to know.  I can make a more informed decision.
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Re: T/D 7020 rocker set up? Who has a set they want to part with?
« Reply #16 on: May 02, 2020, 09:42:26 AM »
Are the needle bearing rockers rebuildable, or should the rockers just be replaced after so many years/races when used with aggressive, high lift cams? A couple years back, Scott Miller lost a couple of T&D rockers on his Cougar during Drag Week. That was after a few years of Drag Week ventures, but shows that they are susceptible to failure after so many cycles. I'm not sure if they were the bushed or needle rockers, and whether or not it was the shaft area or the rocker body itself that failed.
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Re: T/D 7020 rocker set up? Who has a set they want to part with?
« Reply #17 on: May 02, 2020, 10:20:29 AM »
In Scott's case, it was just cycle life of the rocker.  There were hours of running with high spring load.  They break between the adjuster and the oil grooves on the ID when they break.  I have seen bad bearings sporadically when I ran Super Stock hot and heavy.  Not hard to put new bearings in them, but it usually kills the shaft unless you catch it before it goes long.  I think the resonance in the bearing could shorten the life of the rocker body.  The ones Scott broke had bearings.  I changed him over to bushings when we went to the steel rocker bodies.  A good oil film on a bushing, on a nice slick shaft won't give up any power to the bearings in a running engine.  It might feel a little better turning over with a wrench, but bearings won't make more power, and bushings won't fail as long as oil is present and adequate.  A needle bearing is designed for rotation, not reciprocation, which loads the same area all the time, and let's the unloaded rollers "chatter"......like the fat lady singing with the wine glass.  Something somewhere is not going to like that frequency at some part of the range.  Bushings are the way to go in my opinion.
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Re: T/D 7020 rocker set up? Who has a set they want to part with?
« Reply #18 on: May 02, 2020, 10:30:49 AM »
Does TD make a stand that you dont have to cut the TF head down to fit?
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Re: T/D 7020 rocker set up? Who has a set they want to part with?
« Reply #19 on: May 02, 2020, 10:38:24 AM »
Not to my knowledge but it’s not a bad job to do it.
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Re: T/D 7020 rocker set up? Who has a set they want to part with?
« Reply #20 on: May 02, 2020, 10:52:42 AM »
Figure just mill the flat down.  Is there other holes needed to be installed to fasten the plate?  Just curious.  There is nothing online.
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Re: T/D 7020 rocker set up? Who has a set they want to part with?
« Reply #21 on: May 02, 2020, 11:52:17 AM »
Ok, so if you use the single shaft rockers, you will need to cut the stands.

If you use the paired rockers, then the head needs to be milled.  It's not just the TFS heads that need to be milled, it's essentially any head that you use with the common bar/paired rocker system.

You end up cutting the heads down to just above the head bolt spot faces.  The sub bar bolts to the head with the included head bolts, then the rocker arm mounting plate bolts to the sub bar.  No extra holes.
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Re: T/D 7020 rocker set up? Who has a set they want to part with?
« Reply #22 on: May 02, 2020, 12:03:24 PM »
Height of the subplate is critical to get geometry right.  I try to do them where it doesn't need any shim between the subplate and rocker bar.  It isn't complicated, but you don't want to just whack them down.  They send a height guage and instructions, but I don't rely much on the supplied checker.   

Thor is speaking the truth on offsets.  I sometimes use an on-center exhaust, but almost always use some amount of offset on the intakes, depending on manifold and port involved.
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Re: T/D 7020 rocker set up? Who has a set they want to part with?
« Reply #23 on: May 02, 2020, 12:07:24 PM »
Thanks again B and B.  That is crystal clear now.  I really appreciate the information. 
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Re: T/D 7020 rocker set up? Who has a set they want to part with?
« Reply #24 on: May 02, 2020, 12:13:03 PM »
I have a question Is there a quick way to check if you have needle roller T&D race rocker's or bushed i got mine at the same time i got my bbm heads i can post a pick of the milled head area if that helps.

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Re: T/D 7020 rocker set up? Who has a set they want to part with?
« Reply #25 on: May 02, 2020, 12:33:25 PM »
I have a question Is there a quick way to check if you have needle roller T&D race rocker's or bushed i got mine at the same time i got my bbm heads i can post a pick of the milled head area if that helps.

You'll have to take a rocker arm off and look at it.  The cylinder head milling doesn't affect it. 
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Re: T/D 7020 rocker set up? Who has a set they want to part with?
« Reply #26 on: May 02, 2020, 04:19:42 PM »
Unless you specified wanting bushings, they will have bearings.  That is the standard procedure..... bearings.  You can see the bearing or bushing behind some of the snap rings if they don't have a shim in the way.
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Re: T/D 7020 rocker set up? Who has a set they want to part with?
« Reply #27 on: May 02, 2020, 07:54:05 PM »
In my case I'm blaming the weak stands the later Erson versions used. They are too soft and can't be tightened down properly. That and the undersized shafts make for a bad combination although I went many seasons without issue.

Without getting too off track, I agree with you. I never even tried to use my stock Erson stands. I did not like them at all. I could see during mockup, it was very easy to manipulate roller tip contact on the valve by simply moving the stand one way or the other before tightening down. Lots o slop in the bolt holes. The geometry was a tick off, too. I ended up having a local machinist make me some new stands that were .030" taller and finish reamed the holes to 3/8" and omitted the retaining screws at the ends of the shafts. It is as precise a fit as you can get. They are also made from 7075. I also upgraded to the HD shafts from DSC.
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Re: T/D 7020 rocker set up? Who has a set they want to part with?
« Reply #28 on: May 02, 2020, 07:59:00 PM »
Back on track......

One thing that is a good idea to do is back or pull the rockers off in the off-season. This will save fatigue on rockers and springs. With the paired rockers it should be extremely simple to just bring one cyl. to TDC compression and pull the rockers off. Shouldn't be any need to even mess with the adjusters/lash. Everything should stay put.
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Re: T/D 7020 rocker set up? Who has a set they want to part with?
« Reply #29 on: May 03, 2020, 05:17:02 AM »
I have a question Is there a quick way to check if you have needle roller T&D race rocker's or bushed i got mine at the same time i got my bbm heads i can post a pick of the milled head area if that helps.

You'll have to take a rocker arm off and look at it.  The cylinder head milling doesn't affect it.

I mean for Battlestar to see the area milled.