Tubro on a 428

[gregaba]

Going to start my 63 Galaxie next year and was sitting here thinking and started to wonder if any one has installed a turbo on a stock type 428.
I went though the search and didn't find anything on the subject. Plenty on the SOCH and Boss and T-birds but nothing on the 428 that I found.
My engine is a stock bore and stroke 428. I have new forged pistons and rods all ready and the cam choice is open.
I am also going to order the 4 bolt caps from Tmeyer when he gets them ready.
If I do boost it I will have to order new pistons as the ones I have with the heads show a 11.2 compression ratio.
Any feed back on this stupid ideal?
Greg

[BigBlueIron]

What turbo and how far do you plan to push it? Fuel? air to air? manifold setup?

[hwoods]

Shelby had two Paxton superchargers on a couple of Cobras, one was his I believe and one was Bill Cosby's

[Heo]

What i know about Turbos is that the "secret" to make
power is in the exhaust manifolds. And to avoid a lot of
Tjoff and bang use fuel injection. It is a guy around here
With a 80s Mercedes 300 Coupe. That developed 1000 horses
on wife's uncles chassidyno. Untouched shortblock, modified
combustion chambers bone stock intake. Exhaust manifold of
his own design, the K-jetronic FI swaped for a EFI
 Dead reliable he use it as his daily driver

[GerryP]

You can put a turbo on a push lawnmower if that's what you want.  It's not a stupid idea.  Your best information will come from turbocharger forums.  An FE isn't a distinctly different kind of engine, so what works on a LS engine will also work on an FE...or a Studebaker.  What will always be most important is to pay attention to the tune up.

[67428GT500]

What's a "Tubro"? 
I know I wouldn't do it in my Shelby. I barely have enough room for the battery!

                                                                       -Keith

[gregaba]

I just had this ideal today so haven't thought it out yet. I will be running fuel injection on aluminum heads. I would want a water inter cooler regardless.I was looking at my friends 63 and noticed the extra room in the engine compartment and this is why I was interested in it. In my 68 Shelby GT500 KR convertible there was no room even to change the plugs.
I will be running the FE power intake adapter with a Trick Flow single plane intake along with The CVR electric water pump. I have everything all ready bought for the build except the 4 bolt mains and cam and if I decide to go this way then the turbo and exhaust.
Not looking for 800 HP but a good jump in power for the street.
I would like a lot of power on demand and don't mind upgrading the suspension to handle the power.
The car will be mainly be used for Saturday night cruises and 8 or 10 trips to the strip a year.
I was asking because I know very little about turbo's and am at a loss of sizing etc.
I will check out some of the turbo forums tonight and see what I can learn. The only turbo experence is what I learned when I was a mechanic at the various dealerships I worked at over the years.
Just off the top of my pea brain I was thinking of about 10 to 15 Lbs of boost should do what I want.
Greg

[Sand hauler]

I have seen procharger kits for the Fe , that or turbos would be pretty cool

[Stangman]

Look in members projects at 67 fair lane super stock like 4 down.

[RustyCrankshaft]

What's a "Tubro"? 
I know I wouldn't do it in my Shelby. I barely have enough room for the battery!

                                                                       -Keith

I think that's if you have 2 brothers?


You just have to high mount the turbo's in Shelby, plenty of room above the hood. Might be kinda hard to see around them, but those are minor details.

[cammerfe]

Look into the idea of running E85. It has about 108 octane and you could very likely use the pistons you have. It also runs a lot cooler so you might not need to use an intercooler with all its attendant extra plumbing and weight. As a thumbnail, 15 pounds of boost will give you double the NA horsepower (actually torque.) Things can get exciting in a hurry. Use a set-up with an adjustable wastegate and start with about five pounds of boost. Move up a little at a time.

KS

[TomP]

What's a "Tubro"? 
I know I wouldn't do it in my Shelby. I barely have enough room for the battery!

                                                                       -Keith

Locally there still is (so i'm told) a 68 GT500 convertible with a twin turbo 428 built in the late 70's. I saw it on the road being driven about 15 years ago and also saw it back around 1979 . A real packaging job for sure.

[hwoods]

TWNPAX

not sure if the pic attached?

[Russ67Scode]

I have a pair of turbo’s on an FE it’s a 427  but still the same basic engine
If I had to start over I would buy a belt driven supercharger
No expensive stainless headers to make  keep the exhaust system you currently have.  Torque storm seems to have a  decent unit for a good price only 6 pounds of boost just what you need!
A blow thru carb would be easier but you can get better overall easier running with EFI
I have a port fuel injection. Great for tuning but the problem is you have to tune it.  LOT of time  and money for dyno rental
I had to learn the EFI thing and tune my own. 
Hope this helps
PS just a note at 7 lbs of boost I made 741 hp at the wheels  or around 900 hp at the flywheel,so 6 lbs should work great for you

[gregaba]

Hi
Thanks for all the comments.I will try to answer everyone.
Sand Hauler- I looked at the Procharger kit and for the money I think I would go with the Don Hampton 6-71 kit. I talked to Don about the kit and the only downside was how to mount the AC unit. I think a 6-71 sticking though the hood would be very interesting. I haven't seen one buildt like that in 35 years.
Cammerfe- I can't run E85 as it is not available in my area. I have never seen a pump with E85 in Oklahoma although I am sure you can get it in Oklahoma city or Tulsa.
It did get me to thinking [a dangerous thing for me] I have CNG in my F250 and love it and there is enough room in the trunk for a CNG tank. I don't know if anyone builds a tank to fit in the 63 but will check into it.
TomP- Would love to see the Shelby with twin turbos. Would be interested in how he routed the exhaust.
Russ67Scode- Have you posted any pictures of your engine, would like to see them.
I am with you on the learning curve on EFI. My friend has a 66 fastback Mustang with the FAST XFI injection on it.
It ran so bad you couldn't stand by it at idle because it was so rich it would burn your eyes bad. No shop in our area would touch it. I told him if he was patient I would try. I am a little slow and it took me a year and a half [I could only get it for a few hours 1 or 2 days a month] to get him a good tune on it, mostly because of the FAST program. It basically left you to your own devices and was not built for the home tuner.  That was a huge learning curve and I hope I never see another one.
I think you are right I don't need 700 HP so it looks like I was way off on my boost estimate.
6 pounds sounds about right. The only thing is if I can keep my hands of the boost knob.
Strangman- Thanks for the link. As soon as I can I am going to read it.
Heo- See if you can get him to make a video od a drag run. Would love to see it.