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Re: "Flow numbers"
« Reply #15 on: June 22, 2019, 05:17:47 AM »
what do the street heads do on the bench


I do those Street heads with either 2.200 or 2.220 valves usually.  We can actually go even smaller and shrink the hole port per throat diameter, but I think the 2.200 valve is good all the way down to 400 cubes and 390-ish bores.  On flow, up to .400, they are only a few cfm off the "Race" port, mainly due to more velocity from the small port.  As the lift goes up, the bigger valve and bigger cross section start to show up.  I have posted numbers from my bench before, but by comparison, they would be down about 10 cfm at .450, gradually working there way to around 15 cfm down at .600 lift.  The big difference is what happens after .600 lift.  The big port keeps going after .600 if prepped for high lift.  In a .800-.900 contest, both heads using the same high lift valvejob, the Race port gets to a point of being 25-30 better, and more friendly to 500+ inch engines.  I have some 2.040 and 2.095 versions of the Race port that we put on Super Stock apps that go pretty good with the small valves.  With no rules, and most usable camshafts, the Street heads are the better economical choice for anything less than 500 inches, and don't require nearly as much manifold work.  Straight-on lifters and rockers, and a reasonable port match will work.

The chamber options and exhaust port options are available with either intake port.  We have done some Street intakes with really small chambers and Race exhaust ports that are really good and avoid the major manifold work.  The neat thing about the Pro Port deal is we can mix and match programs and create stuff to fit a specific intention, rather than a one size fits all situation.
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Re: "Flow numbers"
« Reply #16 on: June 22, 2019, 11:40:55 AM »
Hey Blair, with those low lift numbers from your race head , what would happen if someone ran one with less than.600 lift and used straight up lifters and rockers along with unmodified med riser 2x4 ? Obviously you’re not taking advantage of high lift but those low lift flow numbers are so good that in a milder situation how much would it hurt with the stock-ish intake? Just curious

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« Reply #17 on: June 22, 2019, 02:53:12 PM »
what do the street heads do on the bench


I do those Street heads with either 2.200 or 2.220 valves usually.  We can actually go even smaller and shrink the hole port per throat diameter, but I think the 2.200 valve is good all the way down to 400 cubes and 390-ish bores.  On flow, up to .400, they are only a few cfm off the "Race" port, mainly due to more velocity from the small port.  As the lift goes up, the bigger valve and bigger cross section start to show up.  I have posted numbers from my bench before, but by comparison, they would be down about 10 cfm at .450, gradually working there way to around 15 cfm down at .600 lift.  The big difference is what happens after .600 lift.  The big port keeps going after .600 if prepped for high lift.  In a .800-.900 contest, both heads using the same high lift valvejob, the Race port gets to a point of being 25-30 better, and more friendly to 500+ inch engines.  I have some 2.040 and 2.095 versions of the Race port that we put on Super Stock apps that go pretty good with the small valves.  With no rules, and most usable camshafts, the Street heads are the better economical choice for anything less than 500 inches, and don't require nearly as much manifold work.  Straight-on lifters and rockers, and a reasonable port match will work.

The chamber options and exhaust port options are available with either intake port.  We have done some Street intakes with really small chambers and Race exhaust ports that are really good and avoid the major manifold work.  The neat thing about the Pro Port deal is we can mix and match programs and create stuff to fit a specific intention, rather than a one size fits all situation.


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Re: "Flow numbers"
« Reply #18 on: June 22, 2019, 03:12:04 PM »
Hey Blair, with those low lift numbers from your race head , what would happen if someone ran one with less than.600 lift and used straight up lifters and rockers along with unmodified med riser 2x4 ? Obviously you’re not taking advantage of high lift but those low lift flow numbers are so good that in a milder situation how much would it hurt with the stock-ish intake? Just curious

I think you'd be awful close just using the Street intake port.  You'd have to raise the roof and the floor of the manifold to get the floor and roof  in the ballpark, even if you didn't move the intake side.  That is an interesting thought.  I should flow a mock-up manifold entry and see.  It would dampen the reverse pulse to have the manifold smaller on that side. Lots of ways to skin a cat.......I think the smaller port is more friendly to milder camshafts.  That Race port is intended for more aggressive and race type apps.  You need inches and/or aggressive valve motion to fill a big port.
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Re: "Flow numbers"
« Reply #19 on: June 22, 2019, 04:25:11 PM »
I wish BBM had made a "pro-port" tunnelwedge.  That and your edelbrock heads would be super cool for a hot street car.
Sure my medium riser is awesome, but no one can deny the looks of a tunnelwedge.