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GJCAT427

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any opinions on windage trays?
« on: May 25, 2019, 07:16:57 AM »
Like the header says. I`m debating about putting in an OEM tray in my new tunnel port motor. I`ll be running a deep sump pan and its going in my 63 Galaxie which should have been done for Beaver Springs, but sh@t  happens. I am running one in my 56 427 F100, but this new motor will not see a lot of street use due to the cam and comp ratio.

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Re: any opinions on windage trays?
« Reply #1 on: May 25, 2019, 08:33:43 AM »
I don’t know if you got it and it’s not gonna hit anything use it. I know some say it’s not needed but I run it. JMO

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« Reply #2 on: May 25, 2019, 10:44:40 AM »
If you got one then by all means use it.
JMO.
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Re: any opinions on windage trays?
« Reply #3 on: May 25, 2019, 05:22:04 PM »
I have one on my Shelby with the Cobra T-sump. It doesn't hit anything and It doesn't leak.

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Re: any opinions on windage trays?
« Reply #4 on: May 25, 2019, 05:45:07 PM »
Some say a solid tray, some say a screen tray. I'd recommend a crank scraper as well unless your rpms are quite low. Heck, one can even make a scraper to fit the crank and rod throws. Ain't hard!

https://www.fordfe.com/windage-tray-and-crank-scraper-t44337.html
« Last Edit: May 25, 2019, 05:52:13 PM by machoneman »
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« Reply #5 on: May 26, 2019, 06:06:17 PM »
Trying again.....  :)  Does a windage tray affect crank splash onto the cam.  So might it be beneficial to not use a windage tray in a center oiler block?

thanks,

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« Last Edit: May 26, 2019, 06:14:20 PM by plovett »

67428GT500

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Re: any opinions on windage trays?
« Reply #6 on: May 26, 2019, 06:28:36 PM »
The windage tray has nothing to do with cam lubrication as it is supplied via the rods.  Ford engineers used it in both of their true high-performance engines after 1968/70 The 428 CJ and the Boss 302.  Most high rpm builds have them, so that rules interference with cam lubrication.

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Re: any opinions on windage trays?
« Reply #7 on: May 26, 2019, 09:29:52 PM »
If you're building a stroker. I used the Canton louvered one when I built my 504. It clears a 4.375 arm with Scat 2.2 rods. No mods required.

http://fepower.net/simplemachinesforum/index.php?topic=1952.msg17685#msg17685
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Re: any opinions on windage trays?
« Reply #8 on: May 26, 2019, 10:29:10 PM »
Anyone have a source for stock style trays with not screens or louvers ?
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Re: any opinions on windage trays?
« Reply #9 on: May 27, 2019, 12:56:35 PM »
Keith,
I saw someone offering reproductions of the original 428 CJ trays a while back. I'll see if I can find out who it was and post a link.

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Re: any opinions on windage trays?
« Reply #10 on: May 27, 2019, 06:28:10 PM »
I would greatly appreciate it.  Thanks.
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Re: any opinions on windage trays?
« Reply #11 on: June 03, 2019, 04:44:54 AM »
Update, I took one of my NOS trays and tried to fit it  on the new motor yesterday. Its not going to work with out a bunch of cutting. The pickup tube interferes too much. This is with the deep sump factory pan. Unless I go with an aftermarket tray I figure I`ll just run the motor with out one.

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Re: any opinions on windage trays?
« Reply #12 on: June 03, 2019, 12:18:19 PM »
   Not needed for the deep sump pan as the "scraper" in the deep sump pan does a great job.
"I" feel the FE windage tray was Ford's way to allow more oil in the stock pan and keep it away from the crank. Looking back to "in the day" , "I" also feel many failures were blamed on the block and it's oiling system that were actually caused by a lack of oil VOLUME  in the pan.
   Just this old guy's opinions.
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« Reply #13 on: June 03, 2019, 05:21:30 PM »
Randy, I have heard numerous complaints of aeration on hard launches. Oil foam doesn't protect bearings so that makes sense to me. We don't see the windage tray as production until the 428 drag pack cars and the Boss 302. 
I am running a Cobra T-sump and the CJ windage tray with the Boss 302 oil pick up. It's a larger diameter than the FE ford units and I have no clearance issues anywhere.
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Re: any opinions on windage trays?
« Reply #14 on: June 04, 2019, 11:19:51 AM »
  Yes that is similar to what i was referring to. A "production" 427 oil pickup is the same tube size as the Boss 302 , has fewer 90* bends and has a strap for support but they are hard to find compared to the ( now reproduced) Boss pickup.. The 390 and 428s have a smaller tube diameter and no strap. I'll bet Ford saved a dollar ( at the most) by using the little one. Good sump capacity and lower inlet restriction make an FE FAR more reliable just by those additions. Add the C8AE filter adapter and the block rework is less important than all the books and magazines have you believing.

   Randy