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WerbyFord

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Stangman,
It’s going in my 67 Fairlane 500. Car has a wide ratio DK all aluminum TL and 4:11s. with too tall drag radials, (275/60/15).
 Car needs a shorter bias ply slick or more gear or both. Also a slipper clutch and a different trans. Oh, and a better driver too.  So if you guess an ET aim high!

Good luck with the upcoming carving.
JB

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Torq 588 at 4700 CORRECTED
Powr 644 at 6500 CORRECTED

Now, how to Uncorrect those?
Altitude is a little over 2% but there's also weather - a rare day indeed is a 60F 29.92 0% RH day.
Let alone any internal dyno correction.
I'll guess 6% down for
Torq 554 at 4700 UNCORRECTED
Powr 607 at 6500 UNCORRECTED

On the car, is this NHRA Trim ie open headers, car set-up?
67 likely flat hood, no cold air?
Driving a fan or water pump?
Car weight w driver?

Sure is some big power out there these days!

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609hp 588tq

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Werby, thanks much for posting.
Car has open crites hood but is not sealed to carb. Driving wp and fan,(flex).  Open cutouts on X pipe,(2.5”). Car not scaled, full interior, stock bumpers. Driver is 175. I thought these cars were 3400 but perhaps you have it in data bank?
I will be using East Ludlow, Ma weather station for correction input. 77’ elevation.
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67 Fairlane 500
482 cid 636/619.
Tunnel Wedge, Survival EMC CNC heads, Lykins Custom Hydraulic Roller, Ram adjustable clutch, Jerico 4-spd, Strange third member with Detroit Locker, 35 spline axles, 4.86
10.55@125.74 1.46 60’

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655 hp and 590tq.

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Werby, thanks much for posting.
Car has open crites hood but is not sealed to carb. Driving wp and fan,(flex).  Open cutouts on X pipe,(2.5”). Car not scaled, full interior, stock bumpers. Driver is 175. I thought these cars were 3400 but perhaps you have it in data bank?
I will be using East Ludlow, Ma weather station for correction input. 77’ elevation.
JB


Yup car is in there already from 2018 BSD (how timely its this weekend!)
From last year's thread you ran
2.01
12.70-115mph
https://www.fordfe.com/how-much-more-gear-do-i-need-t161255.html

The Gonkulator & others felt the car should run at least a second & 5mph better, maybe more.
It sounded like you're shifting the way I do (slow), plus short shifting, no traction, etc.
To compare apples-apples, I ran the Gonkulator EXACTLY the same as the 2018 BSD match, but just with this new engine, shifting 400rpm higher since the new engine peaks 400rpm higher. That's still way short shifting.
Torq 588 at 4700
Powr 644 at 6500
2.01
5.42
8.20 at 91.1
12.47 at 118.7 back door, 117.6 at BSD
That's .23 sec and 2.6mph gain from just the engine.

In optimum trim, as I Gonk'ed for the old engine last year, with 4.11 gears (within .02 of optimum)
1.63
11.37 at 120.0

With the same ideal setup, driving, and new engine, it Gonks to:
1.60
7.04 at 98.0
11.05 at 123.5
Knockin on the door... .37 sec and 3.5mph gain from the new engine, in optimum trim.

Adding a 4.57 gear due to the higher revs helps more now:
1.53
7.01 at 96.8
11.01 at 123.9 any decent air or good wind gets into the 10s.
« Last Edit: April 23, 2019, 09:57:32 PM by WerbyFord »

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Say 624 hp 577 tq on dyno day.
There's plenty of flow carb to valves for rpm's. Will definitely get more out of it with tweaking. Can I ask the cam doctor (Brent) where you think the cam will roll over? 6850 ish. I would think its done by 6900 but your the man.

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Jim requested a 6500 rpm peak with a 7000 rpm shift point.
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Engine has been on the pump. Will post results tomorrow, get your estimates in.
JB
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67 Fairlane 500
482 cid 636/619.
Tunnel Wedge, Survival EMC CNC heads, Lykins Custom Hydraulic Roller, Ram adjustable clutch, Jerico 4-spd, Strange third member with Detroit Locker, 35 spline axles, 4.86
10.55@125.74 1.46 60’

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Engine has been on the pump. Will post results tomorrow, get your estimates in.
JB

What was the correction factor?
I used 6% as a guess but knowing the correction to 60F 29.92 dry sea level air (as if) would make for more accuracy.

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Werby,
Air temp 77/1.016
Barometric 30.38 /.985
RH 60 / 1.020

Final correction factor 1.021

Thanks much for running all the numbers.
JB
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67 Fairlane 500
482 cid 636/619.
Tunnel Wedge, Survival EMC CNC heads, Lykins Custom Hydraulic Roller, Ram adjustable clutch, Jerico 4-spd, Strange third member with Detroit Locker, 35 spline axles, 4.86
10.55@125.74 1.46 60’

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Werby,
Air temp 77/1.016
Barometric 30.38 /.985
RH 60 / 1.020

Final correction factor 1.021

Thanks much for running all the numbers.
JB

OK then based on that and 77ft altitude, that's assuming no correction for the dyno itself, I'll use a 1.026 correction factor for

Torq 573 at 4700 CORRECTED oops this is UNCORRECTED guess
Powr 627 at 6500 CORRECTED oops this is UNCORRECTED guess

(My CORRECTED guesses remain Torq 588, Power 644)
« Last Edit: April 25, 2019, 09:32:34 PM by WerbyFord »

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Dyno results are in: 619 uncorrected HP  Correction factor of 1.021 moves that number to 632.  I hoped for over 600 hp and very close to 600 ft lbs so happy with results. I originally mathed out the correction factor incorrectly, my apologies. UnCorrected hp is 619 which makes 69Shakar the winner.
Honorable mention for peak torque, (614 uncorrected), goes to team-moose.
http://i.postimg.cc/J42hHg7L/25-E74-A31-2608-47-A4-A61-B-3-B09-A7-DC37-A6.jpg
http://i.postimg.cc/Wb333jv8/CC6-D3-ED4-117-F-4-FE6-95-E8-D82-D7-C8-C6-BD5.jpg

I want to give some props to Brent Lykins for invaluable help on this build. I gave the Cam Doctor some parameters and he nailed ‘em. He also showed much patience with my innumerable questions.
Thanks Brent!
JB
« Last Edit: April 26, 2019, 03:27:15 PM by 6667fan »
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67 Fairlane 500
482 cid 636/619.
Tunnel Wedge, Survival EMC CNC heads, Lykins Custom Hydraulic Roller, Ram adjustable clutch, Jerico 4-spd, Strange third member with Detroit Locker, 35 spline axles, 4.86
10.55@125.74 1.46 60’

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Did your 2" Crites headers fit on the dyno?

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Dyno results are in:626/621 uncorrected HP/TQ. Correction factor of 1.021 moves those numbers to 632/627. I hoped for over 600 hp and very close to 600 ft lbs so happy with results. Fast67 was closest without going over at 624. Barry was one too high at 627.
Honorable mention for peak torque goes to teammoose. Fast67 I will need some contact info please.
http://i.postimg.cc/J42hHg7L/25-E74-A31-2608-47-A4-A61-B-3-B09-A7-DC37-A6.jpg
http://i.postimg.cc/Wb333jv8/CC6-D3-ED4-117-F-4-FE6-95-E8-D82-D7-C8-C6-BD5.jpg

I want to give some props to Brent Lykins for invaluable help on this build. I gave the Cam Doctor some parameters and he nailed ‘em. He also showed much patience with my innumerable questions.
Thanks Brent!
JB


JB: Correction of 1.021 gives

621 x 1.021 = 634 Torq CORRECTED
626 x 1.021 = 639 Power CORRECTED
(Edit - I saw the printout showing 632.6hp corrected, but then the uncorrected, if 2.1% lower, would be 619.6hp - they have to be 2.1% apart if that is the correction).

That Torque is incredible.
Was the engine driving the water pump or was it electric?
Was it by chance a victor dominator intake?
« Last Edit: April 25, 2019, 10:56:37 PM by WerbyFord »

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Werby, I subtracted 6.4 per cent of the corrected number to arrive at 626/621. I understand the math you applied. Parties should hold their tickets.
The engine had its regular wp on it for the pulls. The intake is a 2936.
My Crites tubes would not fit so 1-7/8 O.D. tubes were on it.

Thanks,
JB
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67 Fairlane 500
482 cid 636/619.
Tunnel Wedge, Survival EMC CNC heads, Lykins Custom Hydraulic Roller, Ram adjustable clutch, Jerico 4-spd, Strange third member with Detroit Locker, 35 spline axles, 4.86
10.55@125.74 1.46 60’