Hmm

[turbohunter]

https://www.bloombergquint.com/pursuits/ford-debuts-most-powerful-mustang-ever-2020-ford-shelby-gt500

[chilly460]

Should be quite the ride, supercharger should fill out the lack of low rpm power in the flat plane motor. 

I ran one of those Hellcats (well, I had a nice view of him after the launch), and it was insane watching a guy run 10.60s in a car that he drove there and weighed 4400lbs.  Imagine the GT500 will easily be a 10sec car assuming it can hook at all. 

[cjshaker]

I was reading about this today. No manual transmission available. The end of the Mustang as far as I'm concerned. How can you have a performance car and not have a manual as at least an option? I realize the power output probably exceeds any manual trans and clutch that would hold up under a warranty, but I'm sick of hearing about "performance cars" with launch control, 20 speed automatics and piddle shifters. Might as well sit in the damn stands and control it with a joystick.

[gdaddy01]

thank you , Doug

[AlanCasida]

You said it, Doug! I also saw that the new Ranger is only available with a ten(yes count 'em, ten) speed automatic. I won't be buying either. 

[67428GT500]

I grew up on a manual transmission. Driving in Commiefornia 91 fwy traffic gets old in a hurry. However, a performance vehicle with an automatic just seems out of place to me. I'm just old I guess.

[cjshaker]

You said it, Doug! I also saw that the new Ranger is only available with a ten(yes count 'em, ten) speed automatic. I won't be buying either. 

Alan, I almost started a post about the Ranger. Another strike in my book. Basically a near full size truck, loaded with crap, only 1 engine available, no manual...and starts out at $35,000. Every comment I've seen says and feels the same way you and I do. Makes you wonder what moron did the marketing research for the thing, and how they totally ignored the vast consensus of potential buyers about wanting another small (affordable) truck. I finally had to park my '95 Ranger, with 217k miles, about 2 months ago, then went out and found a '99 well maintained one owner with 95k miles, and a stick. That will be my daily for the next 10-15 years. They can keep the new Ranger.

[chilly460]

We are enthusiasts, not the populace.  If you look at the full size trucks today that people are driving around, they're loaded to the gills...so why wouldn't the smaller trucks follow this lead?  My 2017 F150 has rubber floormats and is about as low as I could go, and it still has full smart phone integration as standard equipment. 

I do 100% agree that not having a manual is ridiculous in the GT500.  That said, have to think it's almost impossible to build a trans that will work with bounds of a warranty. 

[e philpott]

the 10 speed auto will "walk the dog" on that manual transmission of the same version in the 1/4 mile and I mean walk the dog but the world is changing fast

[turbohunter]

I’m glad to see you guys think the same as I do.
I’m not going into debt or spending the cash for these new expensive ass deals that you can fall asleep in (actually happened with a friend of mine and his Tesla) and they drive for you.
As far as the mustangs go I’d rather have the older manual shift cars. Then you’re really driving.
Basically automatics are for commuting, manuals are for driving.
Although I did commute for years in my 4 speed trucks. The granny works well in LA traffic.
Edit
I’m LOLing as I think about the automatic in Jays mustang and that commuting comment. Oops.

[mike7570]

I grew up on a manual transmission. Driving in Commiefornia 91 fwy traffic gets old in a hurry. However, a performance vehicle with an automatic just seems out of place to me. I'm just old I guess.

To this day my left leg is stronger than my right leg. LOL  Drove a F250 7.5 diesel with manual 5spd not only on the 91 but the 57, 5 and 22 freeways, I mean parking lots!

[e philpott]

Some of these newer cars "automatic " transmissions are now automatically shifted Manuals with Torque converters instead of Clutch and also have dual counter shafts for the extra gears where each counter shaft has its own set of gears it works together with , things are getting so complicated anymore

[jayb]

I’m LOLing as I think about the automatic in Jays mustang and that commuting comment. Oops.

I like commuting down the quarter mile with my automatic cars 

[Joe-JDC]

If the point of owning a new fast car that is the quickest around, then getting from point A to B IS quicker with the automatic in today's vehicles.  I still have stick cars, but there is no way I can shift quicker than the newer 6-8-10 speed automatics.  I'm with Jay, I won a lot more races with an automatic in my Mach I than I ever did with 4 speed.  Joe-JDC

[Heo]

I grew up on a manual transmission. Driving in Commiefornia 91 fwy traffic gets old in a hurry. However, a performance vehicle with an automatic just seems out of place to me. I'm just old I guess.

To this day my left leg is stronger than my right leg. LOL  Drove a F250 7.5 diesel with manual 5spd not only on the 91 but the 57, 5 and 22 freeways, I mean parking lots!

My left leg to. first drowe the farm tractor from age 9 then most manual cars.
Until i meet  my wife and started to drive her Mercedeses with Auto trans