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I've been working on getting this done for the past several months and finally received some part samples from Harland Sharp yesterday. 

Some features:

*Bronze bushing fulcrum, with oiling passage to allow oiling from pushrods or from rocker shafts
*Lightweight aluminum body with full roller tip
*Hardened pushrod cup insert
*Will accept up to 700 lbs of spring pressure
*Uses readily available 5/16" ball/ball pushrods instead of having to rely on full custom 3/8" ball - 5/16" ball pushrods or 3/8" cup - 5/16" ball pushrods
*Works with factory diameter rocker shafts
*Same width as factory rockers to allow either use of factory stands or aftermarket billet stands
*Will work with spring spacers or solid spacers
*1.76:1 rocker arm ratio

The forethought for this revolves around hydraulic roller FE's.  I have customers that occasionally want higher rpm engines but they don't want to go with a solid roller because of the extra expense, maintenance, etc., and they don't want to go with a solid flat tappet because of camshaft break-in issues that occasionally plague us.  Hydraulic rollers are an excellent choice for street engines since they are basically an "install-and-forget" scenario:  no maintenance, no camshaft break-in, etc. 

In years past, we have seen a "brick wall" on rpms when it comes to the hydraulic roller camshafts and this is because of several variables:  camshaft lobe aggression, lifter choice, oil choice, and valvetrain weight.  If you use an overly aggressive camshaft lobe, then it's hard for the valvetrain and lifters to keep control of things.  If you use something like a Morel lifter, then the lifter component tolerances are much tighter and the resulting oil viscosity has to be eyeballed so that the lifters can operate the way they were intended to operate.  If you use a heavy valvetrain assembly, i.e. 3/8" stem, large headed valves, steel retainers, adjustable rocker arms, etc., then you have a lot of unnecessary weight that the lifter plungers are having to deal with.  Over the years, we have gone from seeing 5800-6000 rpm limits to 6200-6500 rpm limits and a little higher.  We have been able to get to those milestone points with FEs because we have been "slimming" things down and finding component relationships that work.  Less aggressive lobes are being used in correlation with higher-quality lifters, smaller stemmed valves, and the use of non-adjustable factory rocker arms.  I have routinely seen rpms of over 6500 and I do believe that Blair has had a few engines where he has seen 7000 rpm with a hydraulic roller camshaft.

I feel that the rocker arm choice is a big player in this as it can either help or hurt the valvetrain weight.  Adjustable rocker arms with large adjusters, jam nuts, etc., add unnecessary weight.  Unnecessary weight can make it harder for the lifter to do its job.  A lot of us have seen the results of using the non-adjustable factory rockers:  in engine combinations that have usually lost control of the lifters at around 6000 rpm, the lighter rockers allow the peak horsepower rpms to creep up by several hundred rpm or more.   Again, you have to look at the overall picture and choose a combination that works, but the rockers do play a large role.

However, there are constraints with the factory rockers.   The shoe style rocker tip leaves an undesired wider pattern on the valve stem and in extreme situations where we're using very small stemmed valves, that can pose a problem without adding lash caps.  The rockers themselves are not meant to carry large valve spring pressures or large valvetrain loads.   It's not hard to find good rocker cores, or even very nicely rebuilt pieces from companies like Rocker Arms Unlimited, but again, their original strength and design capacities can be quickly overran. 

The beauty of these rockers is that they are basically universal.  They will work as a "performance upgrade" to factory pieces by using factory shafts, stands, and springs.  They will also work as components of new systems, where they would be used in conjunction with new shafts, Precision Oil Pump billet stands, Precision Oil Pump spacers, etc.  They will work with hydraulic rollers, hydraulic flat tappets, and if careful consideration and measuring is taken in assembly, they can also be used with solid flat tappets and moderate solid roller camshafts.  We have seen recent instances where Cup engines use non-adjustable rockers so that spring pressures can be reduced and the rockers are used in conjunction with careful pushrod length measurements and/or lash caps.  There's no reason why this couldn't be completed with an FE solid flat tappet or solid roller camshaft to allow for lower valve spring pressures and lower maintenance intervals. 

I have also discussed several options with Harland Sharp, including needle bearing fulcrums (would require larger diameter shafts) and lightening programs which would further reduce the weight of the rocker arm. 

Overall, I'm very excited to get this going and will be doing some testing with them in the next several weeks.  I need to get a few customer builds dyno'd and delivered, which will free up some time for me. 











« Last Edit: November 02, 2018, 10:27:36 AM by jayb »
Brent Lykins
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Re: Introducing Lykins Motorsports roller tip non-adjustable rocker arms....
« Reply #1 on: November 01, 2018, 06:41:59 AM »
Congratulations on being able to pull this off.

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Re: Introducing Lykins Motorsports roller tip non-adjustable rocker arms....
« Reply #2 on: November 01, 2018, 08:09:05 AM »
Great job Brent !!

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Re: Introducing Lykins Motorsports roller tip non-adjustable rocker arms....
« Reply #3 on: November 01, 2018, 08:50:40 AM »
Well done.  If I ever run an FE, this would be on my "must include" parts list.  I have a gazillion rounds on Harland 351C rockers without any issues.  Would not run anything else.

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« Reply #4 on: November 01, 2018, 02:12:58 PM »
Nice !!

More FE stuff   :-)





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Re: Introducing Lykins Motorsports roller tip non-adjustable rocker arms....
« Reply #5 on: November 01, 2018, 06:44:55 PM »
Nice Brent just another way we can get our FE motors to make more power and also be more reliable if all your test turn out good. And also I think Harland Sharps are a very good product. Good luck can’t wait to see some results.

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Re: Introducing Lykins Motorsports roller tip non-adjustable rocker arms....
« Reply #6 on: November 01, 2018, 07:33:59 PM »
Can I drill and tap them for adjusters :P
I do like my sft.

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« Reply #7 on: November 01, 2018, 08:20:26 PM »
Congrats on the nice new FE rockers! 

I have a question though.  The HS rockers tend to be pretty robust and is there a need to have rockers that can handle 700 lbs open pressure with a hydraulic roller cam?  Don't know much about them and how much spring pressure you need but I run only about 600 lbs open with a solid street roller.  Seems like if you can reduce that spec down to 550-600 lbs HS might be able to do some more weight reduction on that rocker and help you with lesser weight and still be pretty strong.

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Re: Introducing Lykins Motorsports roller tip non-adjustable rocker arms....
« Reply #8 on: November 01, 2018, 09:27:36 PM »
Very nice! Also very interested for my current build. Hopefully they will be available soon.

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Re: Introducing Lykins Motorsports roller tip non-adjustable rocker arms....
« Reply #9 on: November 02, 2018, 05:57:54 AM »
Congrats on the nice new FE rockers! 

I have a question though.  The HS rockers tend to be pretty robust and is there a need to have rockers that can handle 700 lbs open pressure with a hydraulic roller cam?  Don't know much about them and how much spring pressure you need but I run only about 600 lbs open with a solid street roller.  Seems like if you can reduce that spec down to 550-600 lbs HS might be able to do some more weight reduction on that rocker and help you with lesser weight and still be pretty strong.

Earl,

That's a valid question and something I have addressed with HS.  We can do some lightening programs to them, but as you know, it takes a lot of aluminum to really make a big difference in weight.  We may be able to change the weight slightly, but in my mind, I don't see any mind-blowing changes being available to us.  I actually had talked to Manton about making a set, but all of their rockers are tool steel only.  Their design was light because you can go with a smaller profile with steel, but the price was knocking on $1800 a set, rockers only.  Obviously that was way out of the market for this product. 

The main design goal for these was hydraulic roller use, where the average spring pressure that I run is 375 lbs open.   However, in times past, we've only been aiming for lower (relatively speaking) rpm usage.   To creep up past 7000 rpm, and even try a slightly more aggressive cam lobe, we'll be looking at over 500 lbs open pressure.   So your point is very valid in that respect.

The secondary design goal was to be able to use these on solid camshafts.  If someone is running a 600 lb open spring pressure currently with a solid roller, then there's no reason why they shouldn't be able to use these rockers with some very careful measuring and even aim to reduce the valve spring pressure that's needed. 

So yes, the rockers may be beefier than necessary....I suppose to their own fault....but it would allow the possibility of "trimming" for hydraulic use and extra beef for solid use. 
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Re: Introducing Lykins Motorsports roller tip non-adjustable rocker arms....
« Reply #10 on: November 02, 2018, 07:43:12 AM »
Nice stuff.

And Jay will be moving this to the Vendor Classifieds in 3...2...1...
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« Reply #11 on: November 02, 2018, 07:57:32 AM »
Nice stuff.

And Jay will be moving this to the Vendor Classifieds in 3...2...1...


Introducing of a new product , highly doubt it will get moved .lol

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« Reply #12 on: November 02, 2018, 09:41:47 AM »
Brent,
Can you better illustrate the oiling path to the pushrod tip? I don't see an oiling port in the body. Is it just the picture, or is the oiling coming through the insert?

Another question: what is the method of fastening the insert? Press fit, threads?

Thanks.
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« Reply #13 on: November 02, 2018, 11:26:47 AM »
Jim, the bushing has an annular groove that feeds the pushrod cup and the roller tip.  If you oil from the shaft, it feeds it all that way.  If you oil from the pushrod then it oils from that direction.  This is similar to the T&D streets. 

The pushrod cup is pressed in I assume.  That would be the only way to guarantee that the pushrod seat is located at the same depth each time.  The non adjustable rockers cost a little more to manufacture because of that fact, as each hole depth is critical.
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« Reply #14 on: November 02, 2018, 04:01:48 PM »
I am curious on the pushrod insert as well.  On one hand press fit makes sense. On the other a threaded insert makes sense.  I had this same idea years ago but I am not in the business and never pursued it :o  The PR cup was the main hang up on my mind, figured it would be highly specialty where as the rest is common(in a sense).
Looks good and I am sure they are going to be a hit. Two thumbs up.