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Chrisss31

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Hilborn EFI
« on: July 29, 2018, 11:51:19 AM »
Has anyone here tried using the Hilborn EFI?  It's a pretty neat setup based off Jay's intake adapter.

http://hilborninjection.com/product/fe-ford-electronic-fuel-injector/

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Re: Hilborn EFI
« Reply #1 on: July 29, 2018, 12:24:48 PM »
Wow....a bit ex$pen$ive!


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Re: Hilborn EFI
« Reply #3 on: July 29, 2018, 05:23:06 PM »
Keith, I wonder if that could be adapted to Jay`s TP adapter? Looks like it would be fun.

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Re: Hilborn EFI
« Reply #4 on: July 29, 2018, 07:18:43 PM »
If it bolts on to a 351C head, I'm sure it could be made to fit the adapter.  Hilborn's setup is nice because it uses a bigger throttle butterfly than their standard FE injector system, so it will make more power.  fI wonder what the throttle butterfly size is on the Speedmaster setup? 

Hilborn has also been using the 351C setup on my adapter for over a year now and they have all the issues worked out.  At some point, when I get my dyno mule back on the pump, they have promised to lend me one of their systems to see how much power it makes.  I'll bet it will do really, really well...
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Re: Hilborn EFI
« Reply #5 on: July 29, 2018, 09:58:14 PM »
I been eyeballing that speedmaster setup for a while. No doubt it dosen't compare to the hiborn performance wise but for us poor boys it would make a cool set up for a street rod.
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Re: Hilborn EFI
« Reply #6 on: July 30, 2018, 04:53:53 AM »
Im in the sloooow prosess of building something similar, Im way to cheap
to pay that :D. We have a lot of 4 cyl cars with throttle bodys around 2" plus
in the junkyards. So i have gathered 8 TBs I dont remember now from what
was some Opel or Ford 4 cyl and building a "prototype" out of steel tubes
Perhaps i make some real progress this winter



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Re: Hilborn EFI
« Reply #7 on: July 30, 2018, 06:25:47 AM »
It's so nice but I just don't get where they came up with the price, it's $2-4K more than the other comparable big name IR setups.  It looks like the nicest one and probably has the most potential, I guess they're running with that?

What are the major differences between the Fast and Holley EFI programs?

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Re: Hilborn EFI
« Reply #8 on: July 30, 2018, 09:09:30 PM »
something i am working on, inexpensive 60mm mustand TBs:

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Re: Hilborn EFI
« Reply #9 on: July 31, 2018, 09:57:30 AM »
something i am working on, inexpensive 60mm mustand TBs:

Joey - Looks cool!  FYI you generally will want to aim your fuel injectors to hit the back of the valve.  Otherwise you'll be wetting the port wall.  That could cause driveability problems as fuel sloshes off unevenly.

That's a neat application of modern components.
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Re: Hilborn EFI
« Reply #10 on: July 31, 2018, 10:24:17 AM »
Here's mine; converted from mechanical injection to EFI

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Re: Hilborn EFI
« Reply #11 on: July 31, 2018, 11:31:45 AM »
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Joey - Looks cool!  FYI you generally will want to aim your fuel injectors to hit the back of the valve.  Otherwise you'll be wetting the port wall.  That could cause driveability problems as fuel sloshes off unevenly.

Well, that's kind of what i was going for...... the injector actually points at the valve and long turn or top of the intake port. The conventional orientation has it pointing mostly at the floor of the port ( take a look at the Edelbrock FI intake ). Not sure its better or worse, but there are other manifolds out there with an identical injector layout and they tout that as being a better design..... Who knows till you try right?
I just liked the idea of hiding the rails and injectors under the manifold and mostly out of sight.

The trick will ultimately be either casting that runner in aluminum, or being able to print it directly with a material that is up to the task.
Casting it isn't out of the realm of a  home jobber, its small and there are several methods a guy could try. Printing it would be ideal, but current hobbyist level printers may not be up to the task when it comes to using materials that will last under a hood. Though, there are some really cool fiber reinforced filaments out there....

BTW, that throttle body costs $33.00 on Ebay, shipped. So you can get 8 60mm TBs for $264, delivered. That's about 1/3 to 1/4 the price of most name brand 4150 based "air valves". Still have to sort out the idle control, but that goes for any ITB.

I have another iteration of this  idea in the works, actually a bit more excited about it. It is a similar design, but pairs the runners up side to side, and uses a Coyote (5.0l) ford twin 55 or 60mm TB. You can buy these TB's new from ford for ~$120 and they are DBW, I picked up a brand new take off unit on Ebay for $85. the DBW presents a bit of a control problem, but also gets rid of the linkage headache.  I have the TB on the way, and just ordered a 3D printed version of the runners.
Ill see if i can post some renderings to show the general idea...


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Re: Hilborn EFI
« Reply #12 on: July 31, 2018, 01:39:48 PM »
Follow up, in the above renderings, the red throttle body is one I downloaded off of a CAD file web site. It is a larger than stock TB with oversized oval throttle plates. I used it as a rough guide to place the upper openings and mounting holes. When the real unit arrives i will modify the runner.
Pretty sure my bore spacing is close but not perfect.
Also, there are non DBW throttle bodys available that look like the same foot print.

I will try to get some pics of the current single runners and TBs mounted on Jays adapter posted when i get the time. For now i have 2 runners and 1 TB, with another TB in the mail.

Once i am confident that everything "fits" i may try my hand at casting the runners in aluminum. Ill probably start a dedicated thread at that point.
First thing i will try is to do a plaster investment cast using the blue PLA prints pictured above. Don't have high hopes of nailing it on the first try but as with anything ya gotta start somewhere. Biggest concern with this method will be the plaster mold cracking. We have some industrial Ovens at work i hope to use. These will hopefully cure the mold while melting out the PLA.  Ive seen some very impressive results using this method online, but Ive also seen more than a few failed attempts. Most of the failures were due to the plaster mold cracking, or the PLA not being fully melted out.

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Re: Hilborn EFI
« Reply #13 on: July 31, 2018, 01:59:21 PM »
The Speedmaster unit has 50mm TBs, Would be nice if they offered larger units. I think they have the same basic set up for LS motors and others with the same TB but with a larger 52mm TB.
Think the 50mm would work well on a 390-445ish  motor with a reasonable cam, but i tend to agree with Jay, bigger motors will probably want a bigger TB. Come to think of it...

I did find an article a while back where they dynoed an LS7 motor with the stock vs Speedmaster ITBs (50mm), results weren't earth shattering, but the LS has a pretty good manifold to start with, but it did pretty good for a cheep imported knock off....
 I think the LS7 speedmaster ITB might need larger TBs as well...

edit, ok found the article :

http://www.superchevy.com/how-to/engines-drivetrain/1611-speedmaster-ls7-downdraft-intake-test/

673 HP, Not bad for a 427. I am guessing that the 50mm Tbs used in the LS7 kit are exactly the same as the ones supplied with the 351C kit.
Would these do 700HP on Jays dyno mule???? Hmmmmmmmm.

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Re: Hilborn EFI
« Reply #14 on: July 31, 2018, 06:20:32 PM »
Injectors position ????

https://youtu.be/dB0J94ayu5k