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Scott Foxwell I apologize if I....
« on: July 07, 2018, 04:56:12 PM »
Created any shit for you here. I am sad to see you delete you posts and remove
What was valuable information for me. I had hoped to read it a few times to
Learn something new. In the interest of not losing what I posted in your soon to be deleted post I will paste my response here.

“Whoa! I wasn’t trying to start a fight with my comments. I am just thoroughly impressed with this combination. You are pulling some high hp out of those heads and out of 390 ci without turning high rpms. I have been on these forums since the mid 2000’s and I have seen a lot off 390 builds and track times. There is a reason people stroke, use power adders, aftermarket heads, rpms,
etc to get better numbers. I know the ss guys use a lot of attention to detail and have a lot of knowledge to get impressive numbers out of stock parts and parameters. That is really what I mean by black magic. It’s the tribal knowledge of a platform and the tricks of the trade.
Us regular folk who don’t do this for living can only hope to pick up some of this along the way so thank you for being so generous with sharing the details behind the build. I know a lot do not reveal all because for those that race it’s a competitive edge. What is the intent of this motor? Will it see strip duty?”

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« Reply #1 on: July 07, 2018, 10:47:37 PM »
I don't think it was you that stirred the pot.

Some builders don't like other builders on the same forum. They may see it as business competition? Not sure.

Sad that two very decent engine builders are at each others throats - hopefully Mr. Foxwell will be back.

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« Reply #2 on: July 09, 2018, 10:32:26 AM »
hopefully Mr. Foxwell will be back.

I see he closed out his membership. Not surprised at all. I doubt there will be wailing and gnashing of teeth  ::)
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Re: Scott Foxwell I apologize if I....
« Reply #3 on: July 09, 2018, 10:47:25 AM »
hopefully Mr. Foxwell will be back.

I see he closed out his membership. Not surprised at all. I doubt there will be wailing and gnashing of teeth  ::)

Maybe back to Yellow Bullet, that Wild West show disguised as a website?

Sorry to see anyone go btw but constant confrontation isn't a good thing. We all have our opinions and all are valid.
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« Reply #4 on: July 09, 2018, 10:49:15 AM »
Odd deal. I've talked with him outside the forum and actually gave him a couple nuances to think about as he was building that engine, was totally receptive to them and super nice. Seems like behind a keyboard everyone's message gets carried away.

I think everyone needs to cool their jets a bit. Stuff like this makes good and smart people not want to share anything, and that sucks. I hang around here to learn.
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« Reply #5 on: July 09, 2018, 10:57:07 AM »
   I've talked to Scott at the PRI show and it was enjoyable. I don't always share his opinion nor he mine. This is just human nature.  Deleting membership is a drastic move.
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« Reply #6 on: July 09, 2018, 12:17:09 PM »
I've never personally talked to Scott but I did always enjoy hearing (reading) what he had to say.  It's a shame to lose any resource here because it doesn't appear to be a huge group of guys.  I understand we all run hot, we're all men here right? 

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« Reply #7 on: July 09, 2018, 12:19:20 PM »
....we're all men here right?

And a couple of monkeys.......
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« Reply #8 on: July 09, 2018, 12:49:07 PM »
Scott did IM me to share some of his experiences with beehive springs.  It was a pleasant message, and I would have been happy to share some of my experiences with him, but unfortunately you can't IM to a deleted account  :(
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« Reply #9 on: July 09, 2018, 03:00:08 PM »
I’m not up to speed on all of  the bickering Scott was involved with here, though I’ve seen it in recent threads and I remember older posts he wrote.

General impression I got was he has a chip on his shoulder when it comes to professional engine builders. I’ve known people who hold similar positions about varying professions.
They feel somehow offended that someone else charges money for a job they feel they can do just as well, be it plumbing, wrenching or digging post holes. I’ve never understood that, if you can do the job to the standards you are happy with, fine, but don’t hold it against the guy who is doing it for a living.
I was an auto mechanic for 20 years, and in that time I would never have even considered paying someone to put an engine together for me, I did it all the time. Then I got a job next door to a machine shop, the owner and I worked very closely. After I saw all the effort and knowledge he put into every motor he built, I changed my mind real quick.
Where I might do 10-15 engine swaps a year, this guy did 3 or 4 a week.
Sad to see someone leave but I won’t miss the bickering .

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« Reply #10 on: July 09, 2018, 04:26:48 PM »
 I saw the "monkey see monkey do" comment not whatever was possibly posted before. If it seems to work others follow, just as similar minds with similar experience often arrive at the same solution. Ten years ago how many ran hydraulic rollers with factory non adjustables? It's the hot setup now isn't it? How many thought needle bearings were the way on roller rockers forever and now we're heading back to bushings. Moving forward takes testing and often a push by people who have thier own way of thinking. Otherwise we fall in a groove until that change smacks us in the face.

 Ole Scott might not of been the source of the next big thing but people like him willing to go against the grain are often those who inspire such. Even when it was in an effort to prove him wrong he provoked the best discussions I've yet to see on here. It was a nice change at times vs all the glad handing but some tact would serve him well.

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« Reply #11 on: July 09, 2018, 04:35:50 PM »
I saw the "monkey see monkey do" comment not whatever was possibly posted before. If it seems to work others follow, just as similar minds with similar experience often arrive at the same solution. Ten years ago how many ran hydraulic rollers with factory non adjustables? It's the hot setup now isn't it? How many thought needle bearings were the way on roller rockers forever and now we're heading back to bushings. Moving forward takes testing and often a push by people who have thier own way of thinking. Otherwise we fall in a groove until that change smacks us in the face.

 Ole Scott might not of been the source of the next big thing but people like him willing to go against the grain are often those who inspire such. Even when it was in an effort to prove him wrong he provoked the best discussions I've yet to see on here. It was a nice change at times vs all the glad handing but some tact would serve him well.

Hey, I had no issues with Scott and also appreciated his views. But geez, attitude counts too and dragging others through the mud has no place here..nor any Ford blog. I also have some contrary views on 'stuff' but would never denigrate our pro engine builders nor even totally rookie novices!
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« Reply #12 on: July 09, 2018, 04:37:00 PM »
Being passionate about something I feel is a good quality.  A passionate person is detail oriented and when it comes to engine building the details count.    The huge problem with the keyboard is that words have no "tone".  You have no idea if someone is being sarcastic, serious, or joking.   Depending on personality type, you read typed words based on it.  If your serious person, you read the words with a negative tone....if your happy go lucky person your read the words more light hearted.

When it comes to engine builders, you want a serious one.  They will get the details right.    People have called me an engine builder....I quickly correct them.  I am not...I don't have the skill set.  I see the big the picture.   An engine builder see's strokes, the color hues, and what they need to do to complete the picture. 

99.9% of the time you get 2 passionate people speaking by typed words....it's going to go to hell in a hand basket real quick.  Now you take those same 2 people and they meet in public and add tone to the voice....the odds are they will find common ground and get along just fine.  I've seen it first hand.  Scott and Chad Spier's could not stand each other.  A chance meeting at PRI and they email back regularly.

YB can be zoo....I have had my fair share of personal attacks on their but I learned a valuable lesson over there a few years back.  A chance PM from George Bryce, Star Racing, ended up me calling George.  I took him on a memory lane movie of his past out of the blue as he did not know he and I shared a common mentor.   George told me in conversation that day, "Chris it isn't the the 1% of the membership that post that you need to worry about, it's the 99% that read and never type a word.   He is correct, our largest projects we have done are from customers that have never posted or have posted less than a dozen times on sites.  These customers are well to do and can read through the lines.

Whether you like someone or not, you can tell if they know what they are talking about.  Scott and disagree on a ton of stuff and for the most part don't hang out after work as our life styles are very different, but when it comes to him as a person, he is a good person that means well and a very talented person.    If he wasn't you won't have people like Larry Widmer and Darin Morgan giving him kudo's on his work.

The are many smart people on this site....I read.    There are many passionate people on this site......I read.    Life's too short and this industry is not getting in larger.  Having guys like Lykins, Foxwell, Robotnic, and others is good....different ways but excellent results.

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« Reply #13 on: July 09, 2018, 05:16:30 PM »
FYI to the membership, Scott requested that I remove the posts on his engine, and also sent me a PM inviting me to delete his membership, which I did.  I will miss his contributions to the forum and wish him luck in the future.
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« Reply #14 on: July 09, 2018, 09:12:19 PM »
Hey, I had no issues with Scott and also appreciated his views. But geez, attitude counts too and dragging others through the mud has no place here..nor any Ford blog. I also have some contrary views on 'stuff' but would never denigrate our pro engine builders nor even totally rookie novices!

 Hey, Bob

 A different point of veiw even when it's not the accepted method is far more valuable than more cheerleadng is all I was getting at. I do agree with you here about being civil but I also feel the counters to his somewhat brash statements resulted in farther detail and guarded information than if one were to simply ask in a polite manor.  Tipping of the hand a touch if you will...  Poke a guy's ego or tout yours and more often than not someone will spill the beans. I've done it but lucky for me the best I have to offer is usually discounted by more popular individuals. Lol

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