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BattlestarGalactic

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Re: 600 HP FE $18k VS 600 HP 460/514 $13k ?
« Reply #30 on: June 20, 2017, 07:57:23 AM »
I'd say if you don't go FE, a stroker 351 is a much better alternative then a boat anchor 460.  Those things are just TOO heavy.
My plain vanilla 462 with a flat tappet cam and hand ported heads makes 625hp at 6500 rpm.  So it is not hard to make 600 hp with a much better set of heads and roller cam(I just don't have the money for all that).  My ol dump truck motor does just fine. 

Cost wise, the crank/rods/pistons are that much different in cost no matter what motor you use.  They have really come down in the last few years.  I don't have anything close to $18K in my motor.
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Re: 600 HP FE $18k VS 600 HP 460/514 $13k ?
« Reply #31 on: June 20, 2017, 08:30:27 AM »
Here's Ford's own 460 CID stroker from the still pretty new Boss 351, big-bore block, at 575 hp, for $10.5 grand.


http://www.cjponyparts.com/ford-racing-crate-engine-460-cid-boss-351-block-575-hp-front-sump/p/M6007Z460FFT/
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Re: 600 HP FE $18k VS 600 HP 460/514 $13k ?
« Reply #32 on: June 20, 2017, 04:45:03 PM »
Although the Boss is a radical engine, just can't put one between my Cobra's  frame rails.  Mustang etc, yes....
Would still need an intake and carb.

An FE would be the easiest. I have brand new parts,...steel bellhousing, billet flywheel, dual disk clutch and motor mounts.
On my first 428 FE, I used the Edelbrock RPM manifold, on the rebuild, I went with the taller airgap and I had to mill down the car surface a bit, so it wouldn't touch the hood. There was no loss of power.

I don't know for sure if the 460 would fit under the hood. I know theres quite of 460's in Cobra's, but some have a taller hood scoop than mine.
I have my Cobra pretty low, so if I made new motor mounts the pan may be too,....low. I need to measure ans see.

For some reason, (maybe because I'm a power freak)  ;)   I can't get past the power, especially torque down low, of the 460. The low RPM T/Q
 is amazing.

This is just from one noted builder,.....as example only. Was easy and able to post dyno graph.



 460 block.

466 BBF Budget Blueprinted

Horsepower: 600 hp

Torque: 550 ft/lbs

Block: Fully Machined Production Block

Crankshaft: Eagle Cast Steel

Stroke: 3.850"

Camshaft: Hydraulic Roller

Lifters: Hydraulic Roller

Cylinder Heads: Edelbrock Performer RPM

Max RPM: 6200

Price: $9,895.00
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514 BBF Street Crate

Horsepower: 700 hp

Torque: 650 ft/lbs

Block: Fully Machined Production Block

Crankshaft: Eagle Cast Steel

Stroke: 4.140"

Connecting Rods: Scat H-Beam 6.800"

Pistons: Diamond Forged

Timing Chain: Ford Motorsport Double Roller

Camshaft: Comp Cams Custom Hydraulic Roller

Lifters: Hydraulic Roller

Cylinder Heads: Edelbrock Performer RPM CNC

Valves: Ferrea 2.245/1.745

Rocker Arms: Scorpion Roller

Intake: Edelbrock Performer RPM Port Matched

$12,600







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Re: 600 HP FE $18k VS 600 HP 460/514 $13k ?
« Reply #33 on: June 20, 2017, 05:00:00 PM »
Such blasphemy on this awesome FE forum...   LoL
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Re: 600 HP FE $18k VS 600 HP 460/514 $13k ?
« Reply #34 on: June 20, 2017, 07:33:24 PM »
Meaning the dyno sheet ?

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Re: 600 HP FE $18k VS 600 HP 460/514 $13k ?
« Reply #35 on: June 20, 2017, 07:41:31 PM »
$10,000

Professionall rebuilt by top FE guru Rob McQuarie with best of everything!

Brand new, never unwrapped or fired!


Block - 1972 Ford 427 Service Block, Cross-Bolted

- Torque plate honed .030", pressure tested and magnafluxed.
- CNC square decked to 10.153"
- ARP bottom-end stud kit
- Align honed mains, rear cap machined for pan clearance to studs
- Completely deburred
- Oil passages opened up and matched to oil filter mount, all FE oiling mods done
- ARP Head stud kit
- All new top-shelf parts and fasteners


Crank - Ford Forged $, Stock 3.78" stroke

- Professionally added threaded plugs in place of cup plugs
- Ground and polished 20/20


Connecting Rods - Crower Billet, Stock FE length

- These are super nice rods - cost over $2000.00


Pistons - Custom Diamond Flat Tops with valve reliefs

- Suitable for premium pump gas with aluminum Edelbrock or Blue Thunder heads (roughly 9.5: to 10.5:1 depending on chamber cc and gasket)


Cam - Custom Crower Mechanical Roller

- Split duration 273/290 with .646/.649 lift, 108 degree lobe separation

Lifters - Crower Severe Duty Roller

- Pressure pin oiling for reliable street service

Oil Pump - Blueprinted Melling High Volume

- ARP Oil Pump Drive Shaft

Timing Chain Set - Rollmaster


Engine Assembly

- Blueprinted all critical dimensions
- Balanced rotating assembly
- Cam degreed straight up
- Assembly lubed and carefully wrapped


Includes Roll-Away Engine Stand Dolly



Have receipts for over $5,100 spent on machine work, pistons, cam, assembly work, etc.

An additional $2,000 spent on the Crower billet rods.


I purchased this engine from a guy who bought it new, from a local So Cal Ford dealership in the mid 1970's to put it in a show car. After this show car was built, the owner put less than 100 miles on the car. He then pulled this engine out of the show car and put it in storage after selling the car. His plans were to build another car and put this engine in it. This never happened. I bought this engine in the mid 1990's and stored it until I sent it to Rob McQuarie to get it built. When I got my engine back my plans for what car to put it has changed.

What you are looking at is a brand new 427 Sideoiler short block.

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Re: 600 HP FE $18k VS 600 HP 460/514 $13k ?
« Reply #36 on: June 20, 2017, 09:28:04 PM »
Not a solicitation, but I have a 651HP 460 Motorsports engine complete with ported aluminum heads, Victor, Dominator, MSD, Canton, solid lifter camshaft, everything new, even ARP bolts, and water pump housing.   It cost me ~$8500.00 to build.  The customer backed out after I had it on the stand.  A 460 can be built to make good power at a reasonable cost.  Joe-JDC
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Re: 600 HP FE $18k VS 600 HP 460/514 $13k ?
« Reply #37 on: June 20, 2017, 09:45:10 PM »
PM sent.

Can't beleive people backing out of a deal !   >:(

Is that a solid roller cam  (-say roller please) lol.....

Do you have dyno sheet ?

When was it built ?

What's the bore, stroke and cam specs ?

Can you post or send me some photo's ?

Thanks
Kevin



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Re: 600 HP FE $18k VS 600 HP 460/514 $13k ?
« Reply #38 on: June 21, 2017, 01:41:38 PM »
Are you in SoCal?

If you are I can make you a smoke'n deal on a 460 that dyno'd at 614HP.

It has dyno time only on it. Yes, I have the sheet.

D1 block
Sealed Power flat top pistons and rings
Comp roller 248@.050
Edelbrock Victor heads
Victor intake
DUI ignition

Engine made 13 inches of vacuum at idle on the dyno. Very streetable, although the compression is a bit high at 12:1

Email me at gearhead427@verizon.net or call (626)460-8314 daytime or (661)722-3184

Motivated to sell at less than the cost of the parts.

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Re: 600 HP FE $18k VS 600 HP 460/514 $13k ?
« Reply #39 on: June 21, 2017, 05:10:31 PM »
Here a used Dove 4 bolt 460 block for sale.

$1,500

F/S D0VE-A 4 bolt main block - 460 Ford Forum

http://www.460ford.com/forum/41-auction-block/237778-f-s-d0ve-4-bolt-main-block.html

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Re: 600 HP FE $18k VS 600 HP 460/514 $13k ?
« Reply #40 on: June 21, 2017, 05:12:44 PM »
Are you in SoCal?

If you are I can make you a smoke'n deal on a 460 that dyno'd at 614HP.

It has dyno time only on it. Yes, I have the sheet.

D1 block
Sealed Power flat top pistons and rings
Comp roller 248@.050
Edelbrock Victor heads
Victor intake
DUI ignition

Engine made 13 inches of vacuum at idle on the dyno. Very streetable, although the compression is a bit high at 12:1

Email me at gearhead427@verizon.net or call (626)460-8314 daytime or (661)722-3184

Motivated to sell at less than the cost of the parts.

Nope, I'm in Nebraska, Husker territory.  :D

That's pretty high of compression. Even with a thicker head gasket ?
Unless I use our methonal from the sprint car. lol....

I'll call you.
Kevin
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Re: 600 HP FE $18k VS 600 HP 460/514 $13k ?
« Reply #41 on: June 21, 2017, 05:23:22 PM »
If using E-85 fuel, how high of compression can be used ?

I've read guys using up to 14:1., several at 12:1
Don't think I would but,......?
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Re: 600 HP FE $18k VS 600 HP 460/514 $13k ?
« Reply #42 on: June 22, 2017, 06:05:15 AM »
Are you in SoCal?

If you are I can make you a smoke'n deal on a 460 that dyno'd at 614HP.

It has dyno time only on it. Yes, I have the sheet.

D1 block
Sealed Power flat top pistons and rings
Comp roller 248@.050
Edelbrock Victor heads
Victor intake
DUI ignition

Engine made 13 inches of vacuum at idle on the dyno. Very streetable, although the compression is a bit high at 12:1

Email me at gearhead427@verizon.net or call (626)460-8314 daytime or (661)722-3184

Motivated to sell at less than the cost of the parts.

Nope, I'm in Nebraska, Husker territory.  :D

That's pretty high of compression. Even with a thicker head gasket ?
Unless I use our methonal from the sprint car. lol....

I'll call you.
Kevin

Where in NE?  Papillion here
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Re: 600 HP FE $18k VS 600 HP 460/514 $13k ?
« Reply #43 on: June 22, 2017, 08:37:59 AM »
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Put a small block Chevy in it or LS Chevy in it if yer worried about dollars to horse power , otherwise build a FE , 600 hp is pretty easy to achieve

Slooowly I turn...step by step...inch by inch...

I forgot to include the link to the weight table I have - sourced from Ford docs. 

http://raceabilene.com/kelly/hotrod/FordWeightDetail.html

Joe, that's a hella good deal even at the all in price. 

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Re: 600 HP FE $18k VS 600 HP 460/514 $13k ?
« Reply #44 on: June 22, 2017, 11:06:04 AM »
Are you in SoCal?

If you are I can make you a smoke'n deal on a 460 that dyno'd at 614HP.

It has dyno time only on it. Yes, I have the sheet.

D1 block
Sealed Power flat top pistons and rings
Comp roller 248@.050
Edelbrock Victor heads
Victor intake
DUI ignition

Engine made 13 inches of vacuum at idle on the dyno. Very streetable, although the compression is a bit high at 12:1

Email me at gearhead427@verizon.net or call (626)460-8314 daytime or (661)722-3184

Motivated to sell at less than the cost of the parts.

Nope, I'm in Nebraska, Husker territory.  :D

That's pretty high of compression. Even with a thicker head gasket ?
Unless I use our methonal from the sprint car. lol....

I'll call you.
Kevin

Where in NE?  Papillion here

Eagle, 10 miles east of Lincoln.
Are you ok from the tornado ?