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cjshaker

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Re: The Road to Drag Week 2016 - August 8, 2016
« Reply #15 on: August 09, 2016, 02:52:36 PM »

Play in a band (banjo)


So I have to ask, is this in a Bluegrass band? Traditional or modern?
Doug Smith


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Re: The Road to Drag Week 2016 - August 8, 2016
« Reply #16 on: August 09, 2016, 02:57:49 PM »

Play in a band (banjo)


So I have to ask, is this in a Bluegrass band? Traditional or modern?

We play mostly old time country and gospel. Not really a bluegrass band though.

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Re: The Road to Drag Week 2016 - August 8, 2016
« Reply #17 on: August 09, 2016, 03:53:09 PM »
I like "Trunk Monkey in Chief" better...  ;D
Jay Brown
- 1969 Mach 1, Drag Week 2005 Winner NA/BB, 511" FE (10.60s @ 129); Drag Week 2007 Runner-Up PA/BB, 490" Supercharged FE (9.35 @ 151)
- 1964 Ford Galaxie, Drag Week 2009 Winner Modified NA (9.50s @ 143), 585" SOHC
- 1969 Shelby Clone, Drag Week 2015 Winner Modified NA (Average 8.98 @ 149), 585" SOHC

   

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Re: The Road to Drag Week 2016 - August 8, 2016
« Reply #18 on: August 09, 2016, 04:39:18 PM »
You don't have time to type all this nonsense. get busy on that Shelby!

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Re: The Road to Drag Week 2016 - August 8, 2016
« Reply #19 on: August 09, 2016, 05:11:57 PM »
Joel you need an assistant.. I could take some of the load off by taking over Cemetery administration... I am looking for space anyway
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cjshaker

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Re: The Road to Drag Week 2016 - August 8, 2016
« Reply #20 on: August 09, 2016, 09:22:55 PM »

We play mostly old time country and gospel. Not really a bluegrass band though.

Sounds great. I grew up on Bluegrass and old time country/gospel. The Carter Family and Mother Maybelle have always been my favorites in old folk music. Check out The Winding Stream on Netflix if you haven't already. Ok, I'll stop derailing the thread now.
Doug Smith


'69 R-code Mach 1, 427 MR, 2x4, Jerico, 4.30 Locker
'70 F-350 390
'55 Ford Customline 2dr
'37 Ford Coupe

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Re: The Road to Drag Week 2016 - August 8, 2016
« Reply #21 on: August 09, 2016, 09:29:59 PM »
Jay, I'm curious if you'll see any negative effects from the longer runners aimed at the outside of the plenum? Compared to your old intake, which had them terminate at the middle, like most sheet metal intakes, I wonder how the airflow will be affected having to make two 90* turns? It would be interesting to see some sort of flow test results, realizing that's a lot of effort to go through. I can't remember, did you increase the size of the plenum also?
Doug Smith


'69 R-code Mach 1, 427 MR, 2x4, Jerico, 4.30 Locker
'70 F-350 390
'55 Ford Customline 2dr
'37 Ford Coupe

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Re: The Road to Drag Week 2016 - August 8, 2016
« Reply #22 on: August 10, 2016, 07:58:53 AM »
Doug, this year's crossram intake is a near carbon copy of last year's except for three minor changes.  One is that the runners are about 1/2" shorter, to raise the RPM at which the intake tract tunes by about 300 RPM.  The second is that there is more taper in the runner, an area increase of about 1.5% per inch, rather than last year's 1% per inch.  Finally,  the shape of the runners at the head is different to accomodate the different port configuration, more squarish this year as compared to perfectly round last year.

The original "steaming pile" intake was of a conventional design, with runners that were about 3" shorter than this year's or last year's manifold.  It looked like a more conventional design, with all the runners entering in the center of the plenum, compared to the crossram designs of the last two years.  But in order to make the design conventional, the runner length was way too short for the RPM range that I'm operating in, and so the manifold didn't tune the intake pulses effectively.  I was concerned about the position of the runners and flow of the air in the plenum of the crossram design last year also.  But compared to the original intake, the crossram picked up 50 foot pounds of torque and over 20 horsepower.  So whatever disadvantage the runner entry in the plenum may have, it was more than offset by the benefits of the longer runners.  Also of interest was the effect of a 1" plenum spacer in last year's crossram manifold.  This raised the plenum volume pretty significantly, and gave more space above the point in the center of the plenum, where the runners come together.  I figured for sure it would improve power output.  But it had zero effect on power.  Based on that result I don't think that the point of entry of the runners into the plenum is a major concern, at least in this engine.
Jay Brown
- 1969 Mach 1, Drag Week 2005 Winner NA/BB, 511" FE (10.60s @ 129); Drag Week 2007 Runner-Up PA/BB, 490" Supercharged FE (9.35 @ 151)
- 1964 Ford Galaxie, Drag Week 2009 Winner Modified NA (9.50s @ 143), 585" SOHC
- 1969 Shelby Clone, Drag Week 2015 Winner Modified NA (Average 8.98 @ 149), 585" SOHC

   

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Re: The Road to Drag Week 2016 - August 8, 2016
« Reply #23 on: August 10, 2016, 08:23:17 AM »

Jay, how do you test that cool looking intake for any leaks? Air & water?

There's no easy way to test it for leaks.  On the dyno, we will see how the engine idles down.  If it doesn't idle down far enough, I may start introducing a little propane from an unlit source around the welded areas, to see if I can find a leak.  But I'm hoping I won't have any problems; didn't leak last year...
Thanks, that works for me as trying to bolt on plates, etc. to test same would be a bitch!
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Re: The Road to Drag Week 2016 - August 8, 2016
« Reply #24 on: August 10, 2016, 10:00:38 AM »
Joel you need an assistant.. I could take some of the load off by taking over Cemetery administration... I am looking for space anyway

LMAO!!   ;D ;D ;D
Jay Brown
- 1969 Mach 1, Drag Week 2005 Winner NA/BB, 511" FE (10.60s @ 129); Drag Week 2007 Runner-Up PA/BB, 490" Supercharged FE (9.35 @ 151)
- 1964 Ford Galaxie, Drag Week 2009 Winner Modified NA (9.50s @ 143), 585" SOHC
- 1969 Shelby Clone, Drag Week 2015 Winner Modified NA (Average 8.98 @ 149), 585" SOHC

   

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Re: The Road to Drag Week 2016 - August 8, 2016
« Reply #25 on: August 10, 2016, 02:15:21 PM »
I forgot you had already changed the design last year. I had to go back and refresh my memory by reading the old thread.
Doug Smith


'69 R-code Mach 1, 427 MR, 2x4, Jerico, 4.30 Locker
'70 F-350 390
'55 Ford Customline 2dr
'37 Ford Coupe


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Re: The Road to Drag Week 2016 - August 8, 2016
« Reply #27 on: August 11, 2016, 12:14:58 PM »
I saw that article.  I have actually done machined runners before, on my first SOHC sheet metal intake, but to really do a good job you need a 5 axis CNC machine, which I don't have.  Guess I'll just struggle along with what I've got... :D
Jay Brown
- 1969 Mach 1, Drag Week 2005 Winner NA/BB, 511" FE (10.60s @ 129); Drag Week 2007 Runner-Up PA/BB, 490" Supercharged FE (9.35 @ 151)
- 1964 Ford Galaxie, Drag Week 2009 Winner Modified NA (9.50s @ 143), 585" SOHC
- 1969 Shelby Clone, Drag Week 2015 Winner Modified NA (Average 8.98 @ 149), 585" SOHC

   

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Re: The Road to Drag Week 2016 - August 8, 2016
« Reply #28 on: August 11, 2016, 12:23:20 PM »
I saw that article.  I have actually done machined runners before, on my first SOHC sheet metal intake, but to really do a good job you need a 5 axis CNC machine, which I don't have.  Guess I'll just struggle along with what I've got... :D

Time to reinvest that unspent GT money into machinery :P  Rottler F69ATC is the gift that keeps on giving.....

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Re: The Road to Drag Week 2016 - August 8, 2016
« Reply #29 on: August 26, 2016, 10:41:45 AM »
JMHO:   "Rifling", spiral small metal fins golf ball dimples all may have their place downstream of a carb to homogenize the mixture  but when you're getting into a dedicated fuel injection (dry) system I doubt the cheating/trickery by texturing the surfaces would add flow. Certainly JDC should add his bits - how hard would it be to flow a smooth pipe vs textured.
One things certain there's no such thing a smooth flow in an intake as demo'd by Kasse it's violent

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Iq1B-2paCs