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The Road to Drag Week 2016 - August 8, 2016
« on: August 08, 2016, 11:47:47 PM »
More progress this past week, but I'm still behind schedule.  I've been trying like mad to get the engine ready to go for a dyno session on the 20th and 21st, but I'm not sure if I'll make it.  If I do, there is some chance that I can make one trip to the track, over the Labor Day weekend, to get a test run or two in before Drag Week.  If not, then I'll go in cold again, like last year.  I guess last year didn't work out too badly though...

FINALLY on Thursday last week I got my cylinder heads.  Flow numbers for last year's heads vs. this year's are shown in the chart below:



The exhaust was basically the same as last year, but the intake flow is up significantly at the higher lift levels.  I'm not sure what this will mean in terms of horsepower, because there is not a uniform increase at all lifts, just from 0.500" up, but I've got to believe that it will pick up at least 20-30 HP over last year.  We will see on the dyno.

During the week last week I took care of a bunch of odds and ends that needed to get finished, and then starting on Friday I went full bore on the sheet metal intake.  I was going to start working on the heads this weekend too, but I got so wrapped up in the intake that I focused all my efforts on that, with the result that it is now nearly complete; it only needs machining on the flange surfaces to fit down on the heads so the ports line up, and I need to have the heads on the engine for a test fit before I can determine how much to cut, so right now I've gone as far as I can on the intake.  Here are some pictures I took along the way.

After getting both the plenum plates welded to their respective runners, I pushed the two plates together and did a little grinding to get them to fit together.  Here is one of my test fits:




Here's a picture of the port plates bolted onto my jig.  This is the fourth sheet metal intake I've built on this jig; I'm glad I took the time to make it, it has really come in handy over the years:




After putting the plenum plates and runners into position, I welded the runners to the port plates.  This is kind of a trial fit process, where you tack one runner into position, then use clamps or bungie cords or some method to move another runner into position, tack that one in place, etc. etc.  After a bunch of screwing around all the runners were lined up and tacked in position, so I finished welding the seams.  My welding still sucks, but it will get the job done.  When I was done with that I welded the bottom plate onto the intake, leaving the ends a little long so that I could trim them to fit the engine later:




Next I removed the intake from the jig and stuck the partially completed manifold on my smaller CNC machine to cut the holes for the fuel injector bungs:




I also machined each injector bung so that it would conform properly to the inside of the runner, to minimize grinding and port work that would come later.  Then, I welded the bungs into position on the runners, tacking them first with the fuel rail and some old injectors in place.  After that was finished up, I fabricated some brackets to hold the fuel rails in place and welded them onto the intake, so that the fuel rails would bolt on solidly.  Here's a picture of the manifold with the fuel rails and injectors installed:




I got done with all that about midnight on Saturday.  I was out at the shop again early Sunday morning, working on the plenum.  Here's a couple of pictures of the plenum in progress, with all the sheet metal and the top rail tacked in place in the second photo:







It took me most of the afternoon to get all the plenum seams welded up, but I finally finished around 4:00.  Then, it was back on the CNC machine for machining the top surface of the intake, cutting an O-ring groove so that it would seal to the top plate, and drilling and tapping the holes for the top plate.  This machining operation is actually very tricky, because the manifold is not very rigid.  I had to go very slowly, and machine by hand, to get the top rail of the intake machined properly.  Took about 3 hours because I had to go so slow. After that it went a little faster, but I still didn't get done until 11:00 PM on Sunday night.

Tonight I spent the evening in the shop porting the intake, making sure the runner transitions were smooth and any welding bumps ground down.  Here's a picture:



All that's left to do now is to trim the bottom plate, and the port plates, for proper fit on the engine, once the heads are installed.  I figure I've got about 50 hours over the last couple weeks working on this intake manifold, and now that it is done I'm looking forward to making some progress on the engine.  I will try to post another update next weekend.





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- 1969 Mach 1, Drag Week 2005 Winner NA/BB, 511" FE (10.60s @ 129); Drag Week 2007 Runner-Up PA/BB, 490" Supercharged FE (9.35 @ 151)
- 1964 Ford Galaxie, Drag Week 2009 Winner Modified NA (9.50s @ 143), 585" SOHC
- 1969 Shelby Clone, Drag Week 2015 Winner Modified NA (Average 8.98 @ 149), 585" SOHC

   

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Re: The Road to Drag Week 2016 - August 8, 2016
« Reply #1 on: August 09, 2016, 07:48:13 AM »
I was always curious what "Rifling" would do on an intake manifold in as far as increasing flow.  If you welded in spiral small metal fins, would it increase air flow?  Or maybe instead of welding in a spiral fin, maybe machining in the rifling?  I don't know if has ever been done, but I would imagine it would decrease air flow resistance?  Be cool to test  :0)
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Re: The Road to Drag Week 2016 - August 8, 2016
« Reply #2 on: August 09, 2016, 08:08:03 AM »
I have to give you credit Jay. You are a true Hot Rodder. You make Joel look like a slacker LOL.

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Re: The Road to Drag Week 2016 - August 8, 2016
« Reply #3 on: August 09, 2016, 08:16:44 AM »
Ha, Joel as a slacker!

Jay, how do you test that cool looking intake for any leaks? Air & water? 
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Re: The Road to Drag Week 2016 - August 8, 2016
« Reply #4 on: August 09, 2016, 08:52:21 AM »
I have to give you credit Jay. You are a true Hot Rodder. You make Joel look like a slacker LOL.
               Makes me look like I'm in a coma

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Re: The Road to Drag Week 2016 - August 8, 2016
« Reply #5 on: August 09, 2016, 11:02:58 AM »
I have to give you credit Jay. You are a true Hot Rodder. You make Joel look like a slacker LOL.

What do you mean, I make him LOOK like a slacker?  He IS a slacker!  Here it is four and a half weeks before we leave for Drag Week, his engine is still not together, and you guys are running off to Bonneville on Thursday for a week??

Jeff, I think you should be getting ready for another sedate ride in the GTX convertible  ;D
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- 1969 Mach 1, Drag Week 2005 Winner NA/BB, 511" FE (10.60s @ 129); Drag Week 2007 Runner-Up PA/BB, 490" Supercharged FE (9.35 @ 151)
- 1964 Ford Galaxie, Drag Week 2009 Winner Modified NA (9.50s @ 143), 585" SOHC
- 1969 Shelby Clone, Drag Week 2015 Winner Modified NA (Average 8.98 @ 149), 585" SOHC

   

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Re: The Road to Drag Week 2016 - August 8, 2016
« Reply #6 on: August 09, 2016, 11:06:49 AM »

Jay, how do you test that cool looking intake for any leaks? Air & water?

There's no easy way to test it for leaks.  On the dyno, we will see how the engine idles down.  If it doesn't idle down far enough, I may start introducing a little propane from an unlit source around the welded areas, to see if I can find a leak.  But I'm hoping I won't have any problems; didn't leak last year...
Jay Brown
- 1969 Mach 1, Drag Week 2005 Winner NA/BB, 511" FE (10.60s @ 129); Drag Week 2007 Runner-Up PA/BB, 490" Supercharged FE (9.35 @ 151)
- 1964 Ford Galaxie, Drag Week 2009 Winner Modified NA (9.50s @ 143), 585" SOHC
- 1969 Shelby Clone, Drag Week 2015 Winner Modified NA (Average 8.98 @ 149), 585" SOHC

   

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Re: The Road to Drag Week 2016 - August 8, 2016
« Reply #7 on: August 09, 2016, 11:08:18 AM »
I was always curious what "Rifling" would do on an intake manifold in as far as increasing flow.  If you welded in spiral small metal fins, would it increase air flow?  Or maybe instead of welding in a spiral fin, maybe machining in the rifling?  I don't know if has ever been done, but I would imagine it would decrease air flow resistance?  Be cool to test  :0)

I've thought about that too.  I've got to believe it would hurt flow somewhat, but maybe would provide a more laminar flow of air.  But I've never seen anyone try it, so there's probably not much power there...
Jay Brown
- 1969 Mach 1, Drag Week 2005 Winner NA/BB, 511" FE (10.60s @ 129); Drag Week 2007 Runner-Up PA/BB, 490" Supercharged FE (9.35 @ 151)
- 1964 Ford Galaxie, Drag Week 2009 Winner Modified NA (9.50s @ 143), 585" SOHC
- 1969 Shelby Clone, Drag Week 2015 Winner Modified NA (Average 8.98 @ 149), 585" SOHC

   

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Re: The Road to Drag Week 2016 - August 8, 2016
« Reply #8 on: August 09, 2016, 11:15:21 AM »
I have to give you credit Jay. You are a true Hot Rodder. You make Joel look like a slacker LOL.
               Makes me look like I'm in a coma

We're going to snap you out of that coma on Thursday night, Steve... ;D
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- 1969 Mach 1, Drag Week 2005 Winner NA/BB, 511" FE (10.60s @ 129); Drag Week 2007 Runner-Up PA/BB, 490" Supercharged FE (9.35 @ 151)
- 1964 Ford Galaxie, Drag Week 2009 Winner Modified NA (9.50s @ 143), 585" SOHC
- 1969 Shelby Clone, Drag Week 2015 Winner Modified NA (Average 8.98 @ 149), 585" SOHC

   

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Re: The Road to Drag Week 2016 - August 8, 2016
« Reply #9 on: August 09, 2016, 12:32:17 PM »
Jay IS a true hot rodder! That intake is a work of art, and the timeframe he completed it in is amazing. I can think of very few people who have the combination of gifts that Jay has: brains, focus, drive, vision, creativity, perseverance, organized, time manager, and on top of all that, a nice guy.  8)

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Re: The Road to Drag Week 2016 - August 8, 2016
« Reply #10 on: August 09, 2016, 12:56:24 PM »
JAY FOR PRESIDENT!
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Re: The Road to Drag Week 2016 - August 8, 2016
« Reply #11 on: August 09, 2016, 01:04:39 PM »
Jay IS a true hot rodder! That intake is a work of art, and the timeframe he completed it in is amazing. I can think of very few people who have the combination of gifts that Jay has: brains, focus, drive, vision, creativity, perseverance, organized, time manager, and on top of all that, a nice guy.  8)

Well, great, now I feel bad for calling you a slacker  :(  Unless, of course, you were being sarcastic...  :o
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- 1969 Mach 1, Drag Week 2005 Winner NA/BB, 511" FE (10.60s @ 129); Drag Week 2007 Runner-Up PA/BB, 490" Supercharged FE (9.35 @ 151)
- 1964 Ford Galaxie, Drag Week 2009 Winner Modified NA (9.50s @ 143), 585" SOHC
- 1969 Shelby Clone, Drag Week 2015 Winner Modified NA (Average 8.98 @ 149), 585" SOHC

   

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Re: The Road to Drag Week 2016 - August 8, 2016
« Reply #12 on: August 09, 2016, 01:28:56 PM »
I'm sincere. But  I do have  request regarding being called a slacker. In the last year or so, I have:

prepared my 1910 Maytag for the 10,000 lakes concours, and won "outstanding in class"

Got 3/4 of the way thru rebuilding the engine in my Duesenberg

Located a very rare 1930 Cadillac V-16 engine, and drove to the east coast to get it.

Got my 67 GTX convert ready and ran Drag Week with it.

Toured the REVS institute

went to at least 10 car shows

drag raced my pickup at Bradenton Florida

Went to a drag race at sunshine dragstrip, Pinelas Park FL

Went to circle track race at Desoto Speedway

Went to a big drag event at Bradenton, met John Calvert and talked about suspension stuff

went to the Amelia Island concours d' elegance

Defeated Wayne Carini in automotive trivia 3 times in a row

Shook hands with and got autographs from: Don Garlits, Ed Pink, Roger Bailey, Spenny Clendenen, and Alwin Springer.

Made significant, (but insufficient) progress on my 31 Plymouth for Drag Week (steering, brakes, straighten warped rear end, etc)

Put the stroker 392 Hemi together for the hot rod, set up the 8 carb and the 1 and 2 carb intakes, dynode it, had a head leak water into a cylinder, blew out a cylinder, tore it apart, got it sleeved, dynode it again, still had a head leak, got the head welded

Got a bunch of work done on my 67 442 convert and then took my wife on a road trip in it to North Caralina, saw the worlds largest Walleye, the Spam Museum, the National Quilt Museum

Raced the Olds in "cars and Cones" a drag week style event where you autocross instead of drag race for a week. Charolette NC to Jasper IN.

Trailered the Maytag to Medora ND where is was invited to be the "special event" car at their annual show

getting the FAST GTX converted for Drag Week 2016. Motor almost done, most parts are here

Besides that I:

 keep work in front of 20 roofers every day, and keep them pointed in the right direction

manage a bunch of residential and commercial properties, keep them full of tenants and in good repair

renovated a dilapidated 20000 sf commercial building

Vice chairman of the board where I co-manage a self insured work comp group of 110 contractors

Council Chairman/ congregation President at our church (weekly evening meetings, several phone calls/emails daily)

Cemetery administrator

Play in a band (banjo)

 maintain a family with wife, kids and grand kids old folks

try to maintain a "hobby farm"

And somehow I am figuring I can squeeze in Speed Week at Bonneville before Drag Week


So anyway, my point is, I prefer that you call me "Slacker in Chief"










 

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Re: The Road to Drag Week 2016 - August 8, 2016
« Reply #13 on: August 09, 2016, 01:53:47 PM »
O Lord I'm tired ;)
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Re: The Road to Drag Week 2016 - August 8, 2016
« Reply #14 on: August 09, 2016, 02:14:16 PM »
I'm sincere. But  I do have  request regarding being called a slacker. In the last year or so, I have:

prepared my 1910 Maytag for the 10,000 lakes concours, and won "outstanding in class"

Got 3/4 of the way thru rebuilding the engine in my Duesenberg

Located a very rare 1930 Cadillac V-16 engine, and drove to the east coast to get it.

Got my 67 GTX convert ready and ran Drag Week with it.

Toured the REVS institute

went to at least 10 car shows

drag raced my pickup at Bradenton Florida

Went to a drag race at sunshine dragstrip, Pinelas Park FL

Went to circle track race at Desoto Speedway

Went to a big drag event at Bradenton, met John Calvert and talked about suspension stuff

went to the Amelia Island concours d' elegance

Defeated Wayne Carini in automotive trivia 3 times in a row

Shook hands with and got autographs from: Don Garlits, Ed Pink, Roger Bailey, Spenny Clendenen, and Alwin Springer.

Made significant, (but insufficient) progress on my 31 Plymouth for Drag Week (steering, brakes, straighten warped rear end, etc)

Put the stroker 392 Hemi together for the hot rod, set up the 8 carb and the 1 and 2 carb intakes, dynode it, had a head leak water into a cylinder, blew out a cylinder, tore it apart, got it sleeved, dynode it again, still had a head leak, got the head welded

Got a bunch of work done on my 67 442 convert and then took my wife on a road trip in it to North Caralina, saw the worlds largest Walleye, the Spam Museum, the National Quilt Museum

Raced the Olds in "cars and Cones" a drag week style event where you autocross instead of drag race for a week. Charolette NC to Jasper IN.

Trailered the Maytag to Medora ND where is was invited to be the "special event" car at their annual show

getting the FAST GTX converted for Drag Week 2016. Motor almost done, most parts are here

Besides that I:

 keep work in front of 20 roofers every day, and keep them pointed in the right direction

manage a bunch of residential and commercial properties, keep them full of tenants and in good repair

renovated a dilapidated 20000 sf commercial building

Vice chairman of the board where I co-manage a self insured work comp group of 110 contractors

Council Chairman/ congregation President at our church (weekly evening meetings, several phone calls/emails daily)

Cemetery administrator

Play in a band (banjo)

 maintain a family with wife, kids and grand kids old folks

try to maintain a "hobby farm"

And somehow I am figuring I can squeeze in Speed Week at Bonneville before Drag Week


So anyway, my point is, I prefer that you call me "Slacker in Chief"

LOL!!!! For those that do not know... I give Joel WAY more grief then he deserves. But he DOES have automotive ADD.

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Re: The Road to Drag Week 2016 - August 8, 2016
« Reply #15 on: August 09, 2016, 02:52:36 PM »

Play in a band (banjo)


So I have to ask, is this in a Bluegrass band? Traditional or modern?
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Re: The Road to Drag Week 2016 - August 8, 2016
« Reply #16 on: August 09, 2016, 02:57:49 PM »

Play in a band (banjo)


So I have to ask, is this in a Bluegrass band? Traditional or modern?

We play mostly old time country and gospel. Not really a bluegrass band though.

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Re: The Road to Drag Week 2016 - August 8, 2016
« Reply #17 on: August 09, 2016, 03:53:09 PM »
I like "Trunk Monkey in Chief" better...  ;D
Jay Brown
- 1969 Mach 1, Drag Week 2005 Winner NA/BB, 511" FE (10.60s @ 129); Drag Week 2007 Runner-Up PA/BB, 490" Supercharged FE (9.35 @ 151)
- 1964 Ford Galaxie, Drag Week 2009 Winner Modified NA (9.50s @ 143), 585" SOHC
- 1969 Shelby Clone, Drag Week 2015 Winner Modified NA (Average 8.98 @ 149), 585" SOHC

   

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Re: The Road to Drag Week 2016 - August 8, 2016
« Reply #18 on: August 09, 2016, 04:39:18 PM »
You don't have time to type all this nonsense. get busy on that Shelby!

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Re: The Road to Drag Week 2016 - August 8, 2016
« Reply #19 on: August 09, 2016, 05:11:57 PM »
Joel you need an assistant.. I could take some of the load off by taking over Cemetery administration... I am looking for space anyway
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Re: The Road to Drag Week 2016 - August 8, 2016
« Reply #20 on: August 09, 2016, 09:22:55 PM »

We play mostly old time country and gospel. Not really a bluegrass band though.

Sounds great. I grew up on Bluegrass and old time country/gospel. The Carter Family and Mother Maybelle have always been my favorites in old folk music. Check out The Winding Stream on Netflix if you haven't already. Ok, I'll stop derailing the thread now.
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Re: The Road to Drag Week 2016 - August 8, 2016
« Reply #21 on: August 09, 2016, 09:29:59 PM »
Jay, I'm curious if you'll see any negative effects from the longer runners aimed at the outside of the plenum? Compared to your old intake, which had them terminate at the middle, like most sheet metal intakes, I wonder how the airflow will be affected having to make two 90* turns? It would be interesting to see some sort of flow test results, realizing that's a lot of effort to go through. I can't remember, did you increase the size of the plenum also?
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'70 F-350 390
'55 Ford Customline 2dr
'37 Ford Coupe

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Re: The Road to Drag Week 2016 - August 8, 2016
« Reply #22 on: August 10, 2016, 07:58:53 AM »
Doug, this year's crossram intake is a near carbon copy of last year's except for three minor changes.  One is that the runners are about 1/2" shorter, to raise the RPM at which the intake tract tunes by about 300 RPM.  The second is that there is more taper in the runner, an area increase of about 1.5% per inch, rather than last year's 1% per inch.  Finally,  the shape of the runners at the head is different to accomodate the different port configuration, more squarish this year as compared to perfectly round last year.

The original "steaming pile" intake was of a conventional design, with runners that were about 3" shorter than this year's or last year's manifold.  It looked like a more conventional design, with all the runners entering in the center of the plenum, compared to the crossram designs of the last two years.  But in order to make the design conventional, the runner length was way too short for the RPM range that I'm operating in, and so the manifold didn't tune the intake pulses effectively.  I was concerned about the position of the runners and flow of the air in the plenum of the crossram design last year also.  But compared to the original intake, the crossram picked up 50 foot pounds of torque and over 20 horsepower.  So whatever disadvantage the runner entry in the plenum may have, it was more than offset by the benefits of the longer runners.  Also of interest was the effect of a 1" plenum spacer in last year's crossram manifold.  This raised the plenum volume pretty significantly, and gave more space above the point in the center of the plenum, where the runners come together.  I figured for sure it would improve power output.  But it had zero effect on power.  Based on that result I don't think that the point of entry of the runners into the plenum is a major concern, at least in this engine.
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- 1969 Mach 1, Drag Week 2005 Winner NA/BB, 511" FE (10.60s @ 129); Drag Week 2007 Runner-Up PA/BB, 490" Supercharged FE (9.35 @ 151)
- 1964 Ford Galaxie, Drag Week 2009 Winner Modified NA (9.50s @ 143), 585" SOHC
- 1969 Shelby Clone, Drag Week 2015 Winner Modified NA (Average 8.98 @ 149), 585" SOHC

   

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Re: The Road to Drag Week 2016 - August 8, 2016
« Reply #23 on: August 10, 2016, 08:23:17 AM »

Jay, how do you test that cool looking intake for any leaks? Air & water?

There's no easy way to test it for leaks.  On the dyno, we will see how the engine idles down.  If it doesn't idle down far enough, I may start introducing a little propane from an unlit source around the welded areas, to see if I can find a leak.  But I'm hoping I won't have any problems; didn't leak last year...
Thanks, that works for me as trying to bolt on plates, etc. to test same would be a bitch!
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Re: The Road to Drag Week 2016 - August 8, 2016
« Reply #24 on: August 10, 2016, 10:00:38 AM »
Joel you need an assistant.. I could take some of the load off by taking over Cemetery administration... I am looking for space anyway

LMAO!!   ;D ;D ;D
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- 1969 Mach 1, Drag Week 2005 Winner NA/BB, 511" FE (10.60s @ 129); Drag Week 2007 Runner-Up PA/BB, 490" Supercharged FE (9.35 @ 151)
- 1964 Ford Galaxie, Drag Week 2009 Winner Modified NA (9.50s @ 143), 585" SOHC
- 1969 Shelby Clone, Drag Week 2015 Winner Modified NA (Average 8.98 @ 149), 585" SOHC

   

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Re: The Road to Drag Week 2016 - August 8, 2016
« Reply #25 on: August 10, 2016, 02:15:21 PM »
I forgot you had already changed the design last year. I had to go back and refresh my memory by reading the old thread.
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Re: The Road to Drag Week 2016 - August 8, 2016
« Reply #27 on: August 11, 2016, 12:14:58 PM »
I saw that article.  I have actually done machined runners before, on my first SOHC sheet metal intake, but to really do a good job you need a 5 axis CNC machine, which I don't have.  Guess I'll just struggle along with what I've got... :D
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- 1969 Mach 1, Drag Week 2005 Winner NA/BB, 511" FE (10.60s @ 129); Drag Week 2007 Runner-Up PA/BB, 490" Supercharged FE (9.35 @ 151)
- 1964 Ford Galaxie, Drag Week 2009 Winner Modified NA (9.50s @ 143), 585" SOHC
- 1969 Shelby Clone, Drag Week 2015 Winner Modified NA (Average 8.98 @ 149), 585" SOHC

   

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Re: The Road to Drag Week 2016 - August 8, 2016
« Reply #28 on: August 11, 2016, 12:23:20 PM »
I saw that article.  I have actually done machined runners before, on my first SOHC sheet metal intake, but to really do a good job you need a 5 axis CNC machine, which I don't have.  Guess I'll just struggle along with what I've got... :D

Time to reinvest that unspent GT money into machinery :P  Rottler F69ATC is the gift that keeps on giving.....

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Re: The Road to Drag Week 2016 - August 8, 2016
« Reply #29 on: August 26, 2016, 10:41:45 AM »
JMHO:   "Rifling", spiral small metal fins golf ball dimples all may have their place downstream of a carb to homogenize the mixture  but when you're getting into a dedicated fuel injection (dry) system I doubt the cheating/trickery by texturing the surfaces would add flow. Certainly JDC should add his bits - how hard would it be to flow a smooth pipe vs textured.
One things certain there's no such thing a smooth flow in an intake as demo'd by Kasse it's violent

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Iq1B-2paCs



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Re: The Road to Drag Week 2016 - August 8, 2016
« Reply #30 on: August 26, 2016, 02:09:04 PM »
That's pretty cool.  I guess where I would be curious if something along the lines of these "vortex" inserts were in each intake runner.  Maybe it would take the mixture out of the plenum and get it into each valve quicker and with less resistance.  If not, it would at least be fun to see the same Jon Kasse test with these inserted in each intake runner  :0)

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Re: The Road to Drag Week 2016 - August 8, 2016
« Reply #31 on: August 26, 2016, 02:14:27 PM »
Late 80's in a little town in Iowa,I got to see a set of John Force's cylinder heads with vortex generators(wings) in the ports.Very cool !!!

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Re: The Road to Drag Week 2016 - August 8, 2016
« Reply #32 on: August 29, 2016, 07:23:55 PM »
I have put golf ball like dimples in my intake runners and intake ports to help homogenize the A:F but am wary of anything that 'swirls the mixture because there is already going to be some natural swirling by nature and how do you know you are not swirling opposite the natural swirl?--- it seems to me with eight cylinders some will swirl in different directions