New FE Block, Heads, and Intakes on the horizon...

[blykins]

 Well 1100 hp would take a little more than a factory adjustable rocker arm....  :-)

But most of us run T&D rockers on the high-performance solid roller stuff anyway.

A lot of the guys are in it for bragging rights only, so it would be nice for them to make seven or 800 hp without having to go to a solid roller or 14 to 1 compression…

[jayb]

We are essentially bouncing back and forth between street and race with no clear definition of application here. I have no chassis that will withstand 800 or 1200 horsepower, so it's a moot discussion for me. Better to work on all the gaps that the FE still has than gamble on a tiny niche, IMO.

If somebody wants...  http://phoenix.craigslist.org/nph/cto/5562640102.html

OK, I'm going to fly in the face of convention and say that a stock Mustang or Torino chassis (suspension and frame), plus subframe connectors, can take an 800 HP engine, provided that you don't put slicks on it.  Violent traction shocks are what twists up a chassis.  I don't think that the 235/60-15 BF Goodrich radial TAs on my 68 Mustang are capable of bending the car, no matter how much power the engine has.  So there, Felony 

[fekbmax]

I have one of those "needs minor repair" pond blocks  too. LoL.
I'm about to talk myself out of making the repairs and wait and hope that a FE power block does come together in the next 12 - 24 months.
Hell it would nearly take that long mos likely to get a Shelby or pond. What ever happen to the side oiler garage project?

[cjshaker]

Kind of off on a tangent here, but...  I was reading an interesting article in one of the Ford magazines last month about sprayed on cylinder liners.  Instead of pressing a cast iron sleeves into the aluminum block, Ford came up with a process of spray welding a hard liner into the bare aluminum casting, sort of like the chrome liners they have been using in atv's forever.  As I was reading the article I was thinking it would be nice to have an FE made that way.  It would eliminate any potential problems associated with cylinder liners.  Any thoughts on something like that?

The BBM guy brought this up on the 54 forum a while back as a possibility to their blocks. I hate the idea! If something goes wrong, repairs are nearly impossible, or very unlikely. With new engines, you just toss the block and get another one of the hundreds of thousands that are out there or available. When you've got five grand in the PURCHASE of a block (no final machne work), throwing away isn't exactly desirable. I wouldn't touch an FE block with a spray on bore liner.

[FElony]

We are essentially bouncing back and forth between street and race with no clear definition of application here. I have no chassis that will withstand 800 or 1200 horsepower, so it's a moot discussion for me. Better to work on all the gaps that the FE still has than gamble on a tiny niche, IMO.

If somebody wants...  http://phoenix.craigslist.org/nph/cto/5562640102.html

OK, I'm going to fly in the face of convention and say that a stock Mustang or Torino chassis (suspension and frame), plus subframe connectors, can take an 800 HP engine, provided that you don't put slicks on it.  Violent traction shocks are what twists up a chassis.  I don't think that the 235/60-15 BF Goodrich radial TAs on my 68 Mustang are capable of bending the car, no matter how much power the engine has.  So there, Felony 

So the title of this thread should be: "Building a Better Burnout Machine".

Back in my teens when I started street racing, I was running a 289 winder in a stickshift '68 Mustang with zero torque. I can't tell you how many more powerful cars I beat because they always went up in smoke. Except for that damn Charger R/T. But I digress.

Listen, Jay. I think everybody here is impressed with your devotion to the hobby, and your willingness to make new parts. I just hate to see you apply the success of your earlier endeavors to something that steps over into the Twilight Zone. That would surely be a nad crusher. The hobby needs availability of these "now you see it, now you don't" parts to be addressed. Way way too many of those still.

[fekbmax]

I'd think another quality supplier of aluminium blocks is desperately needed.
Seems to me that Fe power blocks would help do just that, increase the availability of parts that are hard to get. If Bret and Barry and Blair and any other well established FE builder can't even get "any" aluminum block with customers in line then almost no chance for the un known garage builder to get one unless you stumble across one used. Who knows when they will be available again so I think it's a good thing to have one more source to potentially pull from.

[FElony]

I'd think another quality supplier of aluminium blocks is desperately needed.
Seems to me that Fe power blocks would help do just that, increase the availability of parts that are hard to get. If Bret and Barry and Blair and any other well established FE builder can't even get "any" aluminum block with customers in line then almost no chance for the un known garage builder to get one unless you stumble across one used. Who knows when they will be available again so I think it's a good thing to have one more source to potentially pull from.

Not just blocks, either. A few years back the 909 was selling lightweight I-beam 6.49 rods at a decent price. You cannot find any such animal anymore. I called RPM and they don't get that there are people looking for better-than-stock but lighter-than-H-beam. Hell, you can't even find Scat rods in that size either. But they sure have kept the price of FE cranks artificially high. Art Francis makes his stuff only when the stars are properly aligned. Et cetera.

[Qikbbstang]

Holy Mackerel Andy, right out of Economics 101 the price get$ into significant profit margins and up steps a manufacturer that say's: Looks like there's significant profits to be made there and he reaches into his bag a tricks and enters the market.
  Was just daydreaming last week about when Genesis first went into 427s back in days of FECA I believe the ground floor buy in was $2500....? Unfortunately the only thing for those "lucky ones that got in" was watching their deposits vanish and nothing to show.

[fekbmax]

Add from a 2001 Fe club of America , 4th quarter edition.

[ScotiaFE]

Add from a 2001 Fe club of America , 4th quarter edition.

I have one of the last Iron Gen's made, I bought it new from Genesis in 2011.
I would love to have an aluminum block collecting dust for my grandsons.

[bsprowl]

Much as I like ... no, LOVE ... this idea there is no way I see mu budget ever including such a big engine.

I'm having trouble fitting in the heads, drive train parts and suspension pieces for a will built 482 FE. 

The cost of making a 560+ cubic inch engine hook and without just breaking parts doubles the cost of adding each extra cubic inch.

I would really like the idea of blocks and tunnel port heads being readily available. 

Bob

[Joe-JDC]

Just as a side note here, on the 632 Chevy, I ported several sets of heads for those 20 years ago that flowed 490/340 to 538/360cfm, on the exhaust with 2.400-2.450/1.940 valves.  Made 1213 hp with two dominators and sheetmetal intake.  I have found over the years that the more cubic inches you have, you can't get the ports too big.  For a FE to be competitive at that level, it needs comparable flow capabilities.  The Victor can be ported to flow over 500 cfm, but the best heads right now are still limited at, or near 400-410cfm.  It is going to take a huge increase in flow potential to reach 490cfm with the FE design and still look like a FE from the outside.  The valve arrangement is not the problem, it is the dogleg and short turn that need to be completely revised.  Barry's head intake port shape is getting close, just needs a much higher short turn.  I really like the idea of a block that is capable of 4.600 bore, in the stock appearing architecture.  JMO, but hope you can make it happen.  Joe-JDC 

[Royce]

Just as an aside comment.. In talking with Jon Kaase he mentioned that the biggest market for his Boss 9 engines is not racers, but high end rods and muscle cars.

With as many Cobras and Mustangs being built you may find that bucks up builders would be wowed by big inch. big power FEs and not be put off by the price.

Availability is the key.. Builders do not want to wait 6 mo for parts.

[Qikbbstang]

Ha Ha wonder if Jay subconsciously set the subject up for a very interesting note:


SUBJECT:  "New FE Block, Heads, and Intakes on the horizon..."

   He will not be saying:  New FE Block, Heads, and Intakes from way over the horizon..." as in from the other side of the globe!..............

[jayb]

Correct, BB, this will be all Made in USA stuff...