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fekbmax

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gear drives V belt drives V rollmaster type chains
« on: September 08, 2015, 12:18:00 PM »
What the opinion on these types of cam drives. ?
Are gear drives really that hard on things?  Power robbing ?
Belt drives worth the hype ? Definitely alot of serious racers using them.
Just looking for opinions. .
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Re: gear drives V belt drives V rollmaster type chains
« Reply #1 on: September 08, 2015, 12:40:22 PM »
I think the advantage of a belt drive like the Danny Bee unit is the ability to quickly change cam timing.  I don't know how much cam timing changes with a standard timing chain setup due to chain stretch or whip, but of course a gear drive would eliminate that issue.  I know for a fact that the SOHC cam timing can change dramatically due to chain stretch, but that's a whole 'nother animal compared to a regular FE timing chain...
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Re: gear drives V belt drives V rollmaster type chains
« Reply #2 on: September 08, 2015, 06:26:56 PM »
If a gear drive was a power robbing way to handle your timing, you wouldn't see F1 using them. I don't think their performance is the reason why you don't see them being run on more engines. The reason is probably cost and complexity. It can be somewhat difficult to make a gear drive that gives you a lot of options on timing. A belt drive gives you a lot of flexibility on timing adjustments while offering a predictable amount of stretch and are cheap. Chains, especially the longer ones, suffer from 2nd order harmonic waves (SOHC) that require dynamic tensioners. While I don't personally have experience with the gear drive system for the FE, I'm willing to bet that it is reliable. In terms of reliability, from best to worst, it goes gears, chains and then belts. Slippage from none / almost none to a little goes gears, chains and then belts. Cost from little to a lot goes belts, chains and then gears. Coef of Friction, from smallest to largest, goes belts, chains and then gears. Someone is more than welcome to revise this list but this is how I understand all 3. You pick what you feel is in your best interests.
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Re: gear drives V belt drives V rollmaster type chains
« Reply #3 on: September 08, 2015, 06:32:36 PM »
Don't forget the awesome whine from a Pete Jackson dual idler gear drive. :)
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Re: gear drives V belt drives V rollmaster type chains
« Reply #4 on: September 08, 2015, 06:40:09 PM »
How about the adjustable cam drive offered by cam research.  ?  Its been available for several years. Anyone here have any experience with it? Seems to offer more cam adjustments than the chain or milodon gear drive and is about 500$ cheaper than the Danny bee . With no major modifications.
Any thoughts. ?
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Re: gear drives V belt drives V rollmaster type chains
« Reply #5 on: September 08, 2015, 07:44:16 PM »
Let me ask this Jay.
Is being able to adjust the cam timing after setting the engine up really that important if the engine is dialed in well to begin with?
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Re: gear drives V belt drives V rollmaster type chains
« Reply #6 on: September 08, 2015, 07:56:27 PM »
If its really well dialed in to begin with, probably not.  But I can envision a scenario where you put the engine together, run it on the dyno, and then find out it knocks under a light load at lower engine speeds.  In a case like that, being able to retard the cam could really help with the detonation issue.  Also, changing other parts of the car, like the rear end gears or torque converter for example, may make the engine want more or less cam timing.  Its always good to have some flexibility in your tune up.
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Re: gear drives V belt drives V rollmaster type chains
« Reply #8 on: September 09, 2015, 10:48:29 AM »
Let's see---

I got up to a count of 97 gears on the eyetalian doo-dad before I got so cross-eyed I lost count. Or maybe it was only 96...

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Re: gear drives V belt drives V rollmaster type chains
« Reply #9 on: September 09, 2015, 12:46:58 PM »
The Ford 300 I6 is gear to gear. One of the reasons those things were indestructible.
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Re: gear drives V belt drives V rollmaster type chains
« Reply #10 on: September 09, 2015, 02:42:11 PM »
The only good Gear Drive is a Milodon. It has a fixed idler, unlike the Pete Jackson geardrive. I'm running one in my boat right now.
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Re: gear drives V belt drives V rollmaster type chains
« Reply #11 on: September 09, 2015, 06:36:17 PM »
The only good Gear Drive is a Milodon. It has a fixed idler, unlike the Pete Jackson geardrive. I'm running one in my boat right now.

What's wrong with the Pete Jackson? ???
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Re: gear drives V belt drives V rollmaster type chains
« Reply #12 on: September 09, 2015, 07:02:29 PM »
They use a floating idler gear instead of a fixed idler gear, like a Milodon. Those floaters are known for not lasting.

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Re: gear drives V belt drives V rollmaster type chains
« Reply #13 on: September 09, 2015, 07:18:46 PM »
I don't know, but we have had many hard street miles, passes, and high rpm with ours. No problems, knock on wood.
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Re: gear drives V belt drives V rollmaster type chains
« Reply #14 on: September 09, 2015, 08:40:18 PM »
So a milodon cheater set up properly robs no more power than a chain setup and should be good to go on a high hp drag race fe ?
Could the adjustments be made through one of jays covers or would the cover have to come off to make them ?
No input on the cam reserch setup ?
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