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Re: Failed oil filter pictures....
« Reply #15 on: August 30, 2015, 12:53:55 AM »
To tell the truth I've never been able to figure out how the recommended FE insurance HEAVY DUTY OIL PUMP C9ZZ-6600-A according to the Ford Muscle Parts booklet (p48) " flows 22GPM under 70-80psi at 4,000rpm"  I can tell you no one is ever going get 22GPM of oil through a small spin on like without the differential pressuring going to the moon and/or major bypass or it's just a mesh cloth/strainer.
The other thing IF you were pumping 22GPM through an FE's lube system the oil passages are going to resist the flow and will be doing a hell of a juggling act keeping approx. 2Gal at most of oil in circulation is hard to comprehend.
You did just hit me in the head with something I'd never thought of while trying to comprehend "How a center core could implode like that?".  Normally you have oil both upstream and downstream of the filter paper/center tube - element except after installing a new filter first start. A slug of oil blasting into the filter and chasing out air very likely could present a situation where the upstream/downstream - delta-P pressure across the guts could get very high. I can only guess at that time it could spike high enough to crush the internals.  IF ones doing an oil change w/o pre-filling the filter I believe they could manage to get a "slug" of oil hitting the internals with nothing but air on the opposite side of the filter element. You get the Bozo's that start a motor WOT and with a dry/unfilled oil filter that could make matters even worse.
More then ever, seriously you should contact Fram and get to someone with knowledge and see if they can take a look at what happened. Those pics show pretty well.  Like going to Mc Donalds and having them screw up a burger - to get a filter like that for a filter company is an off the charts disaster.
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Re: Failed oil filter pictures....
« Reply #16 on: August 31, 2015, 08:22:44 AM »
I Rebuil 2 Mercedes Diesels and realy did a
full job on both. Linehoned rebuilt the rods
index grinded cranks new oil pumps that i
blueprinted and so on. They were real nice
runing diesels one owner used Mercedes
oil filter the other used cheap filters from
a lowprice chain.
The low price filtered engine ended up with
low oilpressure after about 50 000 miles
with wornout bearings
The Mercedes filtered one still runs with full
oil pressure



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Re: Failed oil filter pictures....
« Reply #17 on: August 31, 2015, 09:37:15 AM »
LOL " I've been using the K&N oil filters hoping the extra coin "

There was a company called Champion Brands that offered the trade private label oil filters at $1.00 each. I'd bet big-time K&N does not make their oil filters

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Re: Failed oil filter pictures....
« Reply #18 on: August 31, 2015, 11:38:28 AM »
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Re: Failed oil filter pictures....
« Reply #19 on: August 31, 2015, 03:45:51 PM »
I've been using Purolater  PureONE oil filters on daily driver cars for the last several years and by observation of oil color getting 1 or 2 thousand miles more between oil changes over a standard filter.  They are probably more restrictive so don't know how it would work on a high performance engine.

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Re: Failed oil filter pictures....
« Reply #20 on: September 09, 2015, 05:59:17 PM »
Interesting pictures Doug thanks for sharing.

Has the idea that what ever it was that clogged the filter in the first place, was failing, and the crushed filter was simply a symptom?

I would submit that a oil filter in a common modern designed engine, being well ventilated(PCV) with low(modern) blow by, would have a fairly easy job. Some modern cars go two or 3 oil changes before changing the filter(per the manufacturer), and have a much smaller filter than a PH8A.

I agree that FRAM isn't the best filter. But I think its a symptom of failure, not the cause. If you disagree, what would a better designed filter done in this case to save the engine?

In aviation we have many filters and they all have a bypass. The theory being that dirty oil is better than no oil, and used to get you to the ground only, no to continue service. I have yet to see a filter bypass tripped when the component didn't require replacement based on inspection and oil samples. I would imagine that if a sample was taken on this engine it would have shown the failure was imminent. Now would it have gone 7 or 8 months with a better filter in complete bypass? Possibly, but the writing is on the wall once you have so much debris that it clogs a large filter like a PH8A.

Now, filter surface area, media quality, and micron filtering are other reasons to buy a better than FRAM filter, and there are plenty of them out there.

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Re: Failed oil filter pictures....
« Reply #21 on: September 09, 2015, 06:29:28 PM »
And sometimes even a good one can be bad.

Had a persistent oil pressure needle swing at idle (+/- about 12 psi) that pulsed in my all OEM '88 5.0 Fox Mustang FB. This thread got me to thinking that it pulsed just like a bypass quickly opening and closing. Today I merely pulled the filter (always Motorcraft FL-1A) replaced it with same and voila'. No more pulsing and a steady needle. I did cut the old filter up but zero metal, debris, etc.

Frankly, I've never had a FL-1A issue but didn't note that soon after the last oil change (do all myself) the gauge acted up. I'll watch my other Fords as well and if they exhibit an fluctuating needle.....I'll know what to replace pronto the next time! 
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Re: Failed oil filter pictures....
« Reply #22 on: September 10, 2015, 09:59:29 PM »
Thats why I use Wix, Motorcraft and some Baldwin, Amsoil filters.... Only the best in my book to use....
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Re: Failed oil filter pictures....
« Reply #23 on: September 11, 2015, 01:36:53 PM »
Has the idea that what ever it was that clogged the filter in the first place, was failing, and the crushed filter was simply a symptom?

I agree that FRAM isn't the best filter. But I think its a symptom of failure, not the cause. If you disagree, what would a better designed filter done in this case to save the engine?

There was nothing in the filter to clog it. And there's nothing in an engine that I'm aware of that can liquify and congeal in a filter to cause it to clog. I have heard of cheap filter media that would cause it though. Either through some sort of additive on the media that congealed or the media itself turning to mush.

And if the filter had had a bypass, the oil would have gotten to the engine. It wouldn't have been good for the engine, but at least it would have survived. I totally blame the filter on this failure.

And Wes, I use Napa/Wix at work and have never had an issue after countless filter changes. I didn't do this oil change.
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