My Geny.

[ScotiaFE]

I have followed the Genesis block for as long as they had been talking about making it.
Some of the stories where quite entertaining. LOL You could use all the yellow heads here.
I'm not sure how many read Barry R's Dinosaur Article in Hot Rod. July 2004.
He got the first one.
Well that story had my tongue hanging out.
I have to get me one of those BLOCKS!
Now I have mine. Thanks Barry.
Sure there are other ones, but they are after, aftermarket.
I'm not really sure what my Geny will look like in the years to come, but She sure looks good on the stand
as she sits now.

[jayb]

Well Howie, are you just going to tease us, or are you going to give us some more details?  Cubic inches, cam, compression, pistons, rods, crank, etc. etc...

[ScotiaFE]

I going to stay with the stock 4.250" bore.
I'm saving up for 4.250" stroker kit with about 11.5 squeeze.
I have all my good stuff from the 428.
Canton T pan and screen, The good oil pump and drive, the msd digital 6 box and pro billit dizzy.
Edel water pump.
Oh ya my NOS plate. 
I could use my 428 cam, but I started to feel it was a little small in the 428.
I'm thinking pretty big close to .675 @ 250ish and a 125 shot.
With the Digital 6 and Pro Billit I have lots of control with timming and I have a really nice Dura Spark
Dizzy I have been tinkering with for many years for street driving.
It's not so much I need more FE.
I need more helper monkeys.
I need to paint my Mustang.  It's starting to get a little rough looking.
I built a new shed this year and plan on doing the Stang in it during the next little while.
I know the Stang is not there, she's still in the old wood shed back at the old place.
I'm too embarrassed to take a pic of it. It's not pruddy.

[jayb]

The Fairlane looks good!

Think big on the cam, Howie.  Big cubes need big cams...

[ScotiaFE]

I have been doing a lot of reading lately on the FE sideoiler system.
So was in town looking at my Geny, and you know what.
It is drilled as a sideoiler, but does not have the boss drilled for the relief valve. Interesting.
I have ordered a spring and valve from Doug, The pump builder.
I plan on machining this into my block.
I have come to believe that this is a very important part of the sideoiler.
When Ford re engineered the 427 as the sideoiler, it was to make sure the rear main and cam bearings where
getting a steady 65 to 70 psi at high speed.
The factory oil pump put out 100 to 110 psi and the rear valve would vent at 70 psi.
The common practice by some FE guys now is to shim the valve closed and use the
Melling HV pump "which vents at 65 psi" to control the oil pressure.
This is ok for a top oiler, but on the sideoiler I do not think this is a good plan.
The fact is if you have 65 to 70 psi at the filter mount gauge you will see less pressure at the rear main.
How much will depend on how much bearing clearance you have.
The SO has more and bigger oil passages and thus needs more and bigger pressure.
I have read that the SO relief valve was to prevent cold start over pressure to prevent oil filter blow out.
I don't agree. If you are using a stock Ford 427 pump and cold start you will peg 100 psi gauge.
When I cold start my 390 with a HV pump which vents at 65 psi hot at 2500 rpm I get 85 psi until it warms up a bit.
Granted I do not have running SO to test these issues. Yet. lol

I am also looking for some very up close pictures of the original SO boss relief valve port.
If any one is willing to provide some I would be very grateful.
Thanks.
edit: for bad grammar, it still bad just not as much. lol

[Mario428]

This is what the relief port looks like, but does not seem to be an issue I have heard from anyone using a Genesis block.
Not to start an arguement but more and bigger passages do not need more pressure or volume. Oil pump requirements are still driven by bearing clearances throughout the engine.
Side oiler sends the oil to the crank first and does a better job of it though cannot complain about how the bearings have lasted in my top oiler once I got the clearances right.

[ScotiaFE]

Thanks Mario.
I have that drawing and have been staring at it for a bit. lol
Everything I have read on this says that a HP pump @ about 100 to 110 psi is what the factory used in the 427.
I was looking for a pic of the vent port inside the block.

[Glenn N]

Howie, heres a pic I lifted off the net. I've seen it in a few books and manuals too. Not the best but.....
I've also wondered why Genesis didn't do the relief valve. I thought it might have been cost related.

[ScotiaFE]

Yes. I agree with the cost related.
They would have to purchase a supply of spool valves and springs.
And the added machining and testing to make sure the valve works.
I have a valve spool and a small collection of springs to test.
I have seen that pic also. I will keep looking for a better picture so I can gauge the
two ports to the rear of the block .
The machining will be done the road a bit.
I have yet to get my Mill running.
Thanks

[Glenn N]

Tod Buttermore (sp?) might be a good person to contact down the road when you get into this further. Being the main designer of the Genesis and Pond blocks (besides his own 351C offering he's working on) he might have some inside details. I don't know if he's bound to any copyright issues but I'm sure he can answer some basic questions about the design. He might even know why it was left unmachined. I have emailed him a few times in the past and was very helpful. I know he posts on the Cleveland forum on net54. He used to post a little on FE.com too. I think it would be cool to add the relief valve if possible. Comparing the original block to the Gen will hopefully show a similar casting structure. I'm going to take a good look at mine hopefully sometime tomorrow and see how far the side oil galley is drilled via the front plug. I'm also curious if the oil passage is the same dia as the Ford blocks. And how they were drilled to hold the spring and valve. Smaller or bigger step I'd guess?

[ScotiaFE]

Picked up another intake. Ya that's what I need another FE intake. 
Looks to be in great condition. Fair price to boot.

[jayb]

Nice, Howie!  Looks like an original MR tunnel wedge.  If you don't mind my asking, what did you have to pay for it?

[Glenn N]

Very nice Howie! Looks really clean. Here's one of my junk.

[ScotiaFE]

No problem Jay.
I paid 1000 loonies.
I actually used your book to make sure it was a real Ford one and showed the guy
all the info in the book. Even the $1200 price mark you said.
We were both happy with the deal.
Kinda bit into my crank fund, but it was just too kool to pass on.

mod: wrong word usage 

[ScotiaFE]

Very nice Howie! Looks really clean. Here's one of my junk.

Glenn yours is way kooler than my junk.
I only dream of TP junk.