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ERA Cobra FE build - period correct
« on: November 07, 2024, 08:11:56 AM »
So i bought a Cobra...now it goes back together.  if you remember Dan Kirsch from the forums, Carnut427, he passed and his family asked for some help selling parts.  Then convinced me to buy it as opposed to chasing retail.

It had a broken Genesis 496 in it, Kuntz Stage 3 heads, TW and a solid roller. 

I am in the process of replacing it with a hyd side oiler, 4.25 x 3.98, Diamond pistons, Crower rods, SCAT 3.98 internally balanced, ported C5AE-F "small F" with 11/32 valves, a custom hyd roller, and at this point, leaning toward a set of repop BJ/BKs and putting the TW back on. I have a dual plane med riaser dual quad too, but I think I want to hang on to it, and I think the Cobra can handle giving up a little torque.

It'll be a bit more drivable than the old racer, and likely more attractive if I decide to sell.  500+ HP in a big in/out 4 speed, 3.73 geared roller-skate should still be stout

I'll show that build here, to include changes in the heads as we go, which outflowed a stock CJ head by a little, but not a ton (note my bench is a little conservative, but has passed every calibration I throw at it)  You can see some of the initial head pics and flow below, next will flow with a modern valve job and 11/32 undercut stems, then after some bowl work.  Hope to have the heads on the bench in 1-2 weeks after guides and valves. 

Although it's not going back in, I did machine the Genesis as it wasn't hurt bad, it needed to be squared, as all do, and it cleaned up at 4.35 bore.  FWIW, I think it will go in my Mustang as a 505, but we'll see.  The 489 in the Mustang has decided to mark its spot a little after 18 years, but it's such a happy combo, it'd hard to take it out.  Maybe the 489 will be freshened and go in the F100 with ported iron heads and drilled for hyd roller, we'll see, both run good, but would be nice to have all toys with hyd rollers and crossbolts  8)

I am not trying to build a big number engine here, just something for the masses, but will show it as we go.

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Bullock's Power Service, LLC
- 70 Fastback Mustang, 489 cid FE, Victor, SEFI, Erson SFT cam, TKO-600 5 speed, 4.11 9 inch.
- 71 F100 shortbed 4x4, 461 cid FE, headers, Victor Pro-flo EFI, Comp Custom HFT cam, 3.50 9 inch

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Re: ERA Cobra FE build - period correct
« Reply #1 on: December 25, 2024, 10:03:52 AM »
So the deadbeat owner of this Cobra (me) keeps this one moving slowly, buy we are pretty close to an engine on a dyno.

The engine ended up to be a 452 inch hyd roller side oiler.  I went with a new SCAT crank given the quality of the other parts, internally balanced, a set of nice light Crower 6.49 rods I had around, a set of new Diamond 6cc flat tops with 1/16, 3/16 ring pack that Doug Garifo had. Right now with the big medium riser chambers, it comes in at zero deck, 9.75:1, but depending how things fit, I may give the heads another cut, we'll see.  It's a nice combo, but not a huge power maker..  The cam is a custom 232/240 @.050 with .600 lift, but I rocked it back to 109.  Later than I usually run, but a 3.73 geared roller skate should be happy :)

The short block is together, waiting on the Small F C5AE-F heads.  We had capped out around 246 cfm, but seems like my bench is acting wonky, it calibrated correctly, but on a buddy's self calibrating bench they shot up to 290 cfm at .500 and up, which is more like I expected.  Game plan is a light intake clean up, back cut to the intake valves, and it does need some exhaust bowl work, but we are very close. (Other than figuring out why our numbers are not matching)

It's going to get a Ford tunnel wedge, repop Carl's Ford carbs, and a restored  Duraspark/MSD combo with the "Tasca curve" undecided on rockers, I have some Ersons, some HS, but I may even do a set of stock style 1.73s with end stands and PoP shafts, we'll see.  I love the simplicity and this one is being build to be anyone's driver.

One picture you may have seen on my FB page is the oil pan, an otherwise tired looking Canton 15-820.  I planned to blast the outside and paint it engine color, but as I looked at it, it had some odd shellac inside and some gold paint on it.  To be clear, it did NOT look like the picture below, it was smooth and brown and you could not see any material other than a coat of what was likely epoxy but very nicely done.  When I passed a torch over it to see what it was, it was like one of those sponges that grow with a few drops of water.  The previous owner patched the inside on a porous oil pan with some sort of cloth mat and epoxy.  Artful, and impressive, but not on the inside for one of mine.  Not to mention, the heat I hit it with was minor, so not sure it was going to last anyway.   Because it's not a cheap pan, in the future I may cut the back 3 inches off of a stock pan if I get bored, but with some odd porosity all over that back area, I just ordered a new one.

More to come, the big boy behind the intake is a hyd roller, ported TFS TW 485. might be able to get them both on the pump on the same day, we'll see how the head build goes and of course the dyno schedule.  The look of the 452 will be similar, same valve covers, same wires, but of course iron heads painted black with the Duraspark

« Last Edit: December 25, 2024, 10:41:54 AM by My427stang »
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Bullock's Power Service, LLC
- 70 Fastback Mustang, 489 cid FE, Victor, SEFI, Erson SFT cam, TKO-600 5 speed, 4.11 9 inch.
- 71 F100 shortbed 4x4, 461 cid FE, headers, Victor Pro-flo EFI, Comp Custom HFT cam, 3.50 9 inch

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Re: ERA Cobra FE build - period correct
« Reply #2 on: December 25, 2024, 10:55:53 AM »
Ross if your flow bench is slowing down with flow, one or more of the motors may be shutting down due to the brushes worn out, or glazing the armature.  If you take the back off the bench and open the little panel at the bottom of the back that had about a dozen bolts, you can watch the motors while you turn the bench on.  The bad motors will have a black surface on the armature, or they will arc terribly.  You can spot the bad one easily if that is the issue.  Make sure the select lever handle for intake/exhaust is centered on the mark.  There is a channel in the little black block on the back that has to match the lever position exactly or your bench will not read correctly.  Also, the vacuum lines at the tops of the manometers will change the reading if they are not positioned correctly.  Those little brass fittings can be moved to actually fine tune the calibration to the correct vacuum number when doing the calibration test.  I have had to replace my vacuum motors several times over the last 30 years, they don't last long if you run them for several minutes, especially on the exhaust side.  I found that if you use a piece of 2000# sandpaper you can polish the armature to take the glaze off, and save/extend the replacement cycle of those vacuum motors almost indefinitely.  I would be glad to answer any question you may have about the SF-600.  I had to update mine by completely rewiring it to a new wiring schematic due to it coming from the factory with the wrong wiring.  Yours may be one of those which did not get the update wiring.  Just an idea.  Joe-JDC
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Re: ERA Cobra FE build - period correct
« Reply #3 on: December 25, 2024, 01:27:17 PM »
Ross if your flow bench is slowing down with flow, one or more of the motors may be shutting down due to the brushes worn out, or glazing the armature.  If you take the back off the bench and open the little panel at the bottom of the back that had about a dozen bolts, you can watch the motors while you turn the bench on.  The bad motors will have a black surface on the armature, or they will arc terribly.  You can spot the bad one easily if that is the issue.  Make sure the select lever handle for intake/exhaust is centered on the mark.  There is a channel in the little black block on the back that has to match the lever position exactly or your bench will not read correctly.  Also, the vacuum lines at the tops of the manometers will change the reading if they are not positioned correctly.  Those little brass fittings can be moved to actually fine tune the calibration to the correct vacuum number when doing the calibration test.  I have had to replace my vacuum motors several times over the last 30 years, they don't last long if you run them for several minutes, especially on the exhaust side.  I found that if you use a piece of 2000# sandpaper you can polish the armature to take the glaze off, and save/extend the replacement cycle of those vacuum motors almost indefinitely.  I would be glad to answer any question you may have about the SF-600.  I had to update mine by completely rewiring it to a new wiring schematic due to it coming from the factory with the wrong wiring.  Yours may be one of those which did not get the update wiring.  Just an idea.  Joe-JDC

Thank you Joe, a question.  I am not running out of flow, I can drive the depression up above 28 pretty easily, even with bigger heads.  It just seems like the flow indicator is reading low.  I have the indicator level and the machine level and was very careful.  Is it possible that either my indicator that shows depression or the angled flow meter could be off due to the fitting issues?

I have a buddy that is going to bring another calibration plate and we will compare to his machine.  I have two flat plates, one is supposedly made for the machine and the second I really don't know much about.

Thanks for jumping in

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Bullock's Power Service, LLC
- 70 Fastback Mustang, 489 cid FE, Victor, SEFI, Erson SFT cam, TKO-600 5 speed, 4.11 9 inch.
- 71 F100 shortbed 4x4, 461 cid FE, headers, Victor Pro-flo EFI, Comp Custom HFT cam, 3.50 9 inch

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Re: ERA Cobra FE build - period correct
« Reply #4 on: December 25, 2024, 04:50:51 PM »
Check your corks/washers/fill area for contamination or dried out ink.  I removed the inkwells and cleaned them with alcohol, and cleaned out the manometer passages, refilled the inkwell with new ink(expensive), and made sure the ink level was zeroed with the slide bar at the bottom of the pressure plate.  Also make sure the two manometer wells have enough red oil so that they can be zeroed and still read up to the 48" mark with the deck blocked.  If you accidentally cause the bench to read over 100%, then you need to clean the cork and washers, refill or reset the zero at the same time you do the calibration test.  If you do not have enough ink in the plate, you will get a low reading, and if you have slid the zero plate over until there is no further movement allowed, you need more ink.  Just a few thoughts.  Also, the machine will pull over 28 with one or two motors dead, but will be reading low.  BTDT too many times before I installed AC in the shop to keep the area clean and cool year around.  Joe-JDC
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Re: ERA Cobra FE build - period correct
« Reply #5 on: December 26, 2024, 04:25:17 PM »
Thank you Joe, I will look.  I certainly sucked it toward the top a few times, and when I opened each emblow after hauling it home, I did it without rhyme or reason.

Will start with setup and clean then start looking deeper.  I truly appreciate it
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- 70 Fastback Mustang, 489 cid FE, Victor, SEFI, Erson SFT cam, TKO-600 5 speed, 4.11 9 inch.
- 71 F100 shortbed 4x4, 461 cid FE, headers, Victor Pro-flo EFI, Comp Custom HFT cam, 3.50 9 inch

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Re: ERA Cobra FE build - period correct
« Reply #6 on: January 26, 2025, 06:07:57 PM »
The Cobra engine is coming together nicely.  Going to go through the carbs, replace the plug wires that were on it (looked OK but ended up being crispy and poorly crimped) and I hope get it on the pump in the next 30 days.


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- 70 Fastback Mustang, 489 cid FE, Victor, SEFI, Erson SFT cam, TKO-600 5 speed, 4.11 9 inch.
- 71 F100 shortbed 4x4, 461 cid FE, headers, Victor Pro-flo EFI, Comp Custom HFT cam, 3.50 9 inch

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Re: ERA Cobra FE build - period correct
« Reply #7 on: January 26, 2025, 08:30:04 PM »
Very nice Ross

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Re: ERA Cobra FE build - period correct
« Reply #8 on: July 08, 2025, 06:59:33 AM »
Working very slow, customer engines come first :)

However, we are getting close to a maiden voyage.  As a former track car, it needs some wheel bearing inspection, a little brake work, and I really didn't like the battery as it was installed in the trunk.  Other than that, it should be very close!

507 HP all iron 452 Small F medium riser, side oiler, TW, hyd roller.  "baby" 232 duration custom HR cam, on the dyno.  Peaked at 6000 rpm and hung right in to 6300 where we stopped.  Poor little engine has so many dyno runs on it trying to diagnose a problem with a new dyno, then ran it down to Dale Meers to compare and let her rip some more.  It's a happy little engine and certainly well broken in by now.

https://youtube.com/shorts/nnGaQCCs79U?si=4Of-hRGkOo1Yc0GJ

In the car, just a short video, literally the first fire in the car.  Hit the key, checked for oil pressure and leaks and walked backwards for a little video.  It shows a small-ish cam with 112 LSA can have some lope. Runs right at thermostat temp, very agreeable little roller skate :) Surprisingly, the Cobra is very easy to work on, assuming you do not want to lay under the dash :)

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/TvCVXVCU08Y


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- 70 Fastback Mustang, 489 cid FE, Victor, SEFI, Erson SFT cam, TKO-600 5 speed, 4.11 9 inch.
- 71 F100 shortbed 4x4, 461 cid FE, headers, Victor Pro-flo EFI, Comp Custom HFT cam, 3.50 9 inch

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Re: ERA Cobra FE build - period correct
« Reply #9 on: July 08, 2025, 10:28:40 PM »
Great feeling. One step closer

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Re: ERA Cobra FE build - period correct
« Reply #10 on: July 11, 2025, 07:05:40 AM »
Nice work Ross!

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Re: ERA Cobra FE build - period correct
« Reply #11 on: July 11, 2025, 09:39:17 AM »
Thanks, the game plan this weekend is to install a fancy little modern battery, safety check and repack or order wheel bearings (not sure what it even has for bearings and they are a little sloppy from track use), then see what she will do!

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Bullock's Power Service, LLC
- 70 Fastback Mustang, 489 cid FE, Victor, SEFI, Erson SFT cam, TKO-600 5 speed, 4.11 9 inch.
- 71 F100 shortbed 4x4, 461 cid FE, headers, Victor Pro-flo EFI, Comp Custom HFT cam, 3.50 9 inch