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FE Technical Forum / Re: Rocker arm suggestions
« on: September 13, 2018, 01:58:07 AM »
I ended up ordering a pair of new Sealed Power rocker shafts, I did some research and I'm assuming mine are caked with grease (as aforementioned in a previous post). At $25 each, I think it's cheap insurance!

I see both rocker end supports as well as rocker stands that replace the stock aluminum ones. Is there a kit that sells them both? Since I'm essentially starting fresh with new rocker shafts, I'm tempted to splurge and do it right the first time  ;D


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FE Technical Forum / Re: Edelbrock RPM cylinder head oil restrictors
« on: September 12, 2018, 06:33:54 PM »
Why do you feel you need to restrict the oil to the rockers? I would first ask what rocker setup you plan on using before suggesting any restrictors.
Roller tips with needle bearing fulcrum? Yeah, squeeze 'em down. Bushed rockers with tight clearances? Not so much.

I feel the talk of "how" to restrict often overlooks the "why".

Jim,

I'll be using factory adjustable rocker arms and shafts. Almost everywhere I've read recommends using restrictors in the oiling holes, regardless of what style rocker arm I use.

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FE Technical Forum / Edelbrock RPM cylinder head oil restrictors
« on: September 12, 2018, 01:13:54 PM »
I've heard of people installing Holley jets on stock heads to restrict oil, but what's the general consensus for Edelbrock heads? I've read that Edelbrock has already corrected the oiling issues by shrinking the oiling hole where the rocker assembly bolts on, but I've also read that they did not shrink the hole enough.

What have people been doing with these heads? Ideally I don't have to take brand new heads to the machine shop to have them drilled out for restrictors. I'm also skeptical of some these homemade restrictors where people simply drop in a metal rod and call it "good enough".

Thanks!

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FE Technical Forum / Re: Rocker arm suggestions
« on: September 12, 2018, 01:08:38 PM »
Thank you all for the suggestions.

My next question, what would be considered excessive wear on the rocker shaft? Or is this something that needs to be checked with a mic (what #'s should I expect)?

Any advantages to using the factory adjustable rockers versus buying brand new non adjustable rockers?

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FE Technical Forum / Rocker arm suggestions
« on: September 10, 2018, 09:24:16 PM »
Hi everyone,

I'm in the process of building a 428 for my '68 fastback and I'm approaching the stage where I need to pick a rocker arm assembly. I'm using Edelbrock aluminum heads with springs rated for a roller cam (150lbs on the seat) with a relatively mild Lunati hydraulic roller cam:

Advertised Duration (Int/Exh): 262/270
Duration @ .050 (Int/Exh): 211/219
Gross Valve Lift (Int/Exh): .559/.559
LSA/ICL: 112/106
Valve Lash (Int/Exh): Hyd/Hyd
RPM Range: 1600-5600

The heads will utilize Edelbrock's stud kit for the rocker arms.

I currently have the factory adjustable type rocker arms:

IMG_6800.JPG by armon7, on Flickr

IMG_6802.JPG by armon7, on Flickr

Would these suffice for my build? I see the Harland Sharp setup for nearly $1000, but I feel that might be slightly overkill for my application. I'm not opposed to swapping the stock rocker arms in favor of roller rockers if that's necessary.

If these are suitable, any tips or tricks for rebuilding them? Anything I should look for?

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Private Classifieds / Re: Original 427 dual points distributor C5AF-12127-E
« on: September 08, 2018, 10:00:31 PM »
Sold :)

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Private Classifieds / Original 427 dual points distributor C5AF-12127-E
« on: September 03, 2018, 03:59:33 PM »
C5AF-12127-E dual points distributor in excellent condition. Shaft rotates smoothly with no binding, cam gear looks great. I was going to use it for my 428, but figured someone else might need it more than I do.

Per mustangtek, this distributor is correct for:

65-71 390 All_HIPerf

65 427 Ford Special 4v ST exc/trans.idn.

65-70 427 428 All_HiPerf

65-67 427 Hipo Ford Fairlane 4v,6v.8v

67 428 Shelby GT500

65-67 427 Cobra

Asking $400 OBO. Please PM if interested. Thanks!

IMG_6742.JPG by armon7, on Flickr

IMG_6743.JPG by armon7, on Flickr

IMG_6745.JPG by armon7, on Flickr

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Private Classifieds / Original Cobra Jet heads
« on: September 03, 2018, 03:54:49 PM »
Pair of excellent shape Cobra Jet cylinder head cores. They were taken apart and hot tanked a while ago then put in storage.

Casting number C8OE-6090.

I'm asking $850 for the pair. Located in San Jose, California.

Please PM me if interested. Thanks!

IMG_6747.JPG by armon7, on Flickr

IMG_6748.JPG by armon7, on Flickr

IMG_6753.JPG by armon7, on Flickr

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FE Technical Forum / Re: 428 crank spacer
« on: August 27, 2018, 11:37:43 AM »

That sounds a little... Excessive? I wasn't even planning on balancing my rotating assembly as this is going to be a very mild build. The 306 windsor I built that regularly turns 6600 RPM didn't get balanced, 50k miles later it's still running strong.

My 428 was actually a rebuilt short block that was never run and then sat for a long time. I pulled it apart and had the crank polished and along with a quick hone of the cylinder walls and lifter bores.

From what I've gathered, I would simply use a regular spacer with a stock 390 balancer and matching flywheel?

You are correct that a regular spacer and a stock 390 harmonic balancer will work with your combination.  However, a 428 crank will normally use an externally balanced flywheel.  These flywheels have a 28 ounce weight of some sort attached to them.  If you have the flywheel, see if it has that weight on it.  If it doesn't, look for evidence of balancing on the crank, there would be some slugs of mallory metal added to one or more of the counterweights on the crank.

If you just bought a 428 engine with no flywheel, I'd bet that it wasn't internally balanced, and you will need a 428 flywheel to make it work.  You could probably get away without balancing if you KNOW that the 428 crank was not internally balanced, and you have a 428 flywheel, or if you KNOW that the 428 crank was internally balanced and you have a 390 flywheel.  If you aren't sure about this, I'd really suggest you get it balanced.  If you put a stock 428 crank together with a stock 390 flywheel, you will have a significant vibration problem.

Jay, I was planning on using a 428 specific flywheel anyways:

https://www.summitracing.com/parts/fiz-186541/overview/make/ford

I have a ACT lightweight flywheel in my '69 and absolutely love it, the Fidanza unit actually has provisions for an external balance and internal balance. I'm assuming this is through a weight that is simply bolted on (I had a McLeod flywheel similar to this).

The flywheel is unfortunately missing, however, there isn't any evidence of the crank being balanced; there aren't any slugs of mallory anywhere.

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FE Technical Forum / Re: 428 crank spacer
« on: August 26, 2018, 11:55:40 PM »
I just went through some bs regarding balancing a 1U crank.
Initially the machine shop told me it was about 200 grams out which would need either a 28 gram counter weight or 7 or 8 slugs of Mallory at 80-100 bucks each.
Ended up balancing with flywheel and not as much Mallory.
Have had a few problems with this shop lately which is unlike them.
Anyway my point is, research balancing your 1U well with your shop before proceeding. They are not like a garden variety (normal aftermarket) crank.

That sounds a little... Excessive? I wasn't even planning on balancing my rotating assembly as this is going to be a very mild build. The 306 windsor I built that regularly turns 6600 RPM didn't get balanced, 50k miles later it's still running strong.

My 428 was actually a rebuilt short block that was never run and then sat for a long time. I pulled it apart and had the crank polished and along with a quick hone of the cylinder walls and lifter bores.

From what I've gathered, I would simply use a regular spacer with a stock 390 balancer and matching flywheel?

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FE Technical Forum / Re: 428 crank spacer
« on: August 26, 2018, 03:56:05 PM »
The hatchet style crank spacer was only used on 428 Super Cobra Jets, which were fitted with heavier LeMans connecting rods and needed the external counterbalance.  Any standard FE crank spacer should work for you, since you will probably internally balance the engine anyway.  Often you will see that the area where the seal rides on the crank spacer is grooved or torn up; you can get a sleeve for about $5 that presses on there and provides a new sealing surface.  Of the aftermarket crank spacers I've seen, some of the aluminum ones are hard anodized and the ones I've purchased  press onto the crank really hard; I've gone as far as cutting the anodizing off the internal bore of the crank spacer in a lathe to get them to fit properly.  They should slide on fairly easily, with only minimal "convincing" required.  IMO, best bet is to find a stocker in good shape, or else one that is torn up at the seal surface, and install the repair sleeve.

Jay, that opens up another question. I've been having some difficulty figuring out what rods I have. They are marked C6AE-C, which I *think* is for a Cobra Jet. Wouldn't that warrant the use of a hatchet style spacer?

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FE Technical Forum / 428 crank spacer
« on: August 26, 2018, 03:16:06 PM »
Hi everyone, I'm relatively new to the FE world, I usually dabble with Windsors. I'm building an S code '68 fastback with a 428, as the 390 blew up sometime in the 70's.

After a little research, I discovered that the 428 uses a spacer that slides over the crank snout. Which one do I need? I see some using the "hatchet" style crank spacer. My crank is marked 1U and the block has an "A" scratch (not a CJ or SCJ).

My spacer is unfortunately missing and I don't think they're reproduced. I do however see a few vendors on ebay selling billet ones. If I go this route, does anyone have a specific vendor or link to a good one?

I'm assuming that I might have to buy one used, is there anything specific condition wise that I should look for?

(FYI, I plan on repainting the block the dark corporate Ford blue, can't stand the lighter color)

IMG_6835.JPG by armon7, on Flickr

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