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Title: New FE Timing Cover From Roush
Post by: Nightmist66 on January 31, 2016, 12:14:26 AM: Spotted this tonight on ebay. Seems reasonable. I've got one coming, we'll see......

http://www.ebay.com/itm/NEW-Roush-FORD-FE-Cast-Aluminum-Timing-Cover-FREE-Shipping-/301842567429?hash=item4647381105:g:R9IAAOSw5dNWjt04&vxp=mtr
Title: Re: New FE Timing Cover From Roush
Post by: Dumpling on January 31, 2016, 02:35:43 AM: Does that mean Roush is getting out of the FE business? No more availability of a Roush crate 427?
Title: Re: New FE Timing Cover From Roush
Post by: bn69stang on January 31, 2016, 10:58:01 AM: Probably heading in that direction ..
Title: Re: New FE Timing Cover From Roush
Post by: jayb on January 31, 2016, 11:34:41 AM: Man, that is cheap! My timing cover castings cost more than that, and that Roush cover is a fully machined part. Nothing like a little volume from the foundry to bring down the price...
Title: Re: New FE Timing Cover From Roush
Post by: bn69stang on January 31, 2016, 12:10:25 PM: yeah i agree , i snagged one for that price and even free shipping
Title: I feel kind of stupid asking because I'm not sure
Post by: Qikbbstang on January 31, 2016, 12:33:52 PM: I feel kind of stupid asking because I'm not sure: Are all FE timing pointers interchangeable as far as the bolt pattern to the timing cover?

I recall SCJs got unique pointers but have no idea how they varied vs common pointers?

Do find it surprising Roush does not have a pointer listed because it's such a natural and simply a nice convenience for potential buyers. Maybe I just missed it?

LOL there were (5) noted as selling in the last hour (make that six with mine). Roush should say thank you to FE POWER.NET
Title: Re: New FE Timing Cover From Roush
Post by: bn69stang on January 31, 2016, 12:52:42 PM: I will compare it to the factory one when it comes in and let you know what i see
Title: Re: New FE Timing Cover From Roush
Post by: Qikbbstang on January 31, 2016, 01:06:28 PM: Amusing Roush SOLD Qty (1) a few weeks back for $79.95 and must have listed Qty (15) BIN @ $69.95
Title: Re: I feel kind of stupid asking because I'm not sure
Post by: cjshaker on January 31, 2016, 01:34:58 PM: Quote from: Qikbbstang on January 31, 2016, 12:33:52 PM
I feel kind of stupid asking because I'm not sure: Are all FE timing pointers interchangeable as far as the bolt pattern to the timing cover?

No, there are different styles and different patterns for bolting them on. Don't ask me which got which, because I never really cared which one was correct for which car/engine.

Is there something special about this cover? The Ebay add won't even show the original listing since all you jokers bought them out...lol
It looks to me to be a regular timing cover with nothing special about it. Why not just use a Ford piece then, which can be bought for much cheaper?
Title: Re: New FE Timing Cover From Roush
Post by: Nightmist66 on January 31, 2016, 01:59:53 PM: Quote from: cjshaker on January 31, 2016, 01:34:58 PM
Is there something special about this cover? The Ebay add won't even show the original listing since all you jokers bought them out...lol
It looks to me to be a regular timing cover with nothing special about it. Why not just use a Ford piece then, which can be bought for much cheaper?

There is nothing special that I can tell. The way I look at it, some people are asking for quite a bit more for a factory cover, especially if it is NOS. So why buy a possibly beat up old cover or good used one for so much, if you don't need #'s matching? It seems reasonable to me for a nice looking new part. Not trying to argue, just voicing my mute opinion.

In case the original listing link won't work, here's the pics:
(http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a232/jaredaebly/Mobile%20Uploads/s-l1600_zps8pqjntka.jpeg) (http://s12.photobucket.com/user/jaredaebly/media/Mobile%20Uploads/s-l1600_zps8pqjntka.jpeg.html)
(http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a232/jaredaebly/Mobile%20Uploads/s-l1600-1_zpsoxdwltqy.jpeg) (http://s12.photobucket.com/user/jaredaebly/media/Mobile%20Uploads/s-l1600-1_zpsoxdwltqy.jpeg.html)
(http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a232/jaredaebly/Mobile%20Uploads/s-l1600-1-1_zpsirlmwsqw.jpeg) (http://s12.photobucket.com/user/jaredaebly/media/Mobile%20Uploads/s-l1600-1-1_zpsirlmwsqw.jpeg.html)
(http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a232/jaredaebly/Mobile%20Uploads/s-l1600-2_zpshoj3zyv9.jpeg) (http://s12.photobucket.com/user/jaredaebly/media/Mobile%20Uploads/s-l1600-2_zpshoj3zyv9.jpeg.html)
Title: Re: New FE Timing Cover From Roush
Post by: bn69stang on January 31, 2016, 02:27:38 PM: Nothing special , but for me it s a new part , and i only had the one factory one and no extra parts for a second build
Title: Re: New FE Timing Cover From Roush
Post by: Qikbbstang on January 31, 2016, 03:00:38 PM: Nice looking "piece". Be interesting to find out if it's MADE IN USA,,,,,,,
Title: Re: New FE Timing Cover From Roush
Post by: cjshaker on January 31, 2016, 03:10:38 PM: Quote from: Nightmist66 on January 31, 2016, 01:59:53 PM
It seems reasonable to me for a nice looking new part. Not trying to argue, just voicing my mute opinion.

Hey, that's good enough argument for me! It's also something that I'm guilty of nearly 100% of the time. ;D It certainly is a nice looking piece, and I like how every bolt hole is closed. That certainly helps for leaks.
Title: Re: New FE Timing Cover From Roush
Post by: BH107 on January 31, 2016, 03:45:21 PM: Quote from: Dumpling on January 31, 2016, 02:35:43 AM
Does that mean Roush is getting out of the FE business? No more availability of a Roush crate 427?

Not sure, I know I saw pictures of one on display at the Grand National Roadster Show this week.

But with something like that from Roush I'm sure they don't do small batch like your stuff Jay, so they probably have plenty to sell off.
Title: Re: New FE Timing Cover From Roush
Post by: Barry_R on January 31, 2016, 05:29:08 PM: That has to be an inventory cleanout deal.
I purchased three of them.
Title: Re: New FE Timing Cover From Roush
Post by: jgkurz on January 31, 2016, 05:31:32 PM: Between this cover and Jay's cover we now have some great options. I'd love to see someone make an adjustable timing pointer that has the same high quality. Maybe something like this....

(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/41y3Cz71DeL._SX300_.jpg)
Title: Re: New FE Timing Cover From Roush
Post by: Qikbbstang on January 31, 2016, 06:35:16 PM: Good for you Barry on snatching up three,,,, After reading Jay's remark about the cost being low and fully machined. I looked at the auction with LOL only One (1) left ,,,,and the Buy It Now... I suddenly got the feeling there were decent odds on scoring a truly "cool" FE part... as as Porkey Pig says:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gBzJGckMYO4
Title: Re: New FE Timing Cover From Roush
Post by: TomP on February 01, 2016, 03:15:02 AM: The only advantage I can see is it seems to use a seal that fits from the front like later smallblocks. Also appears sand cast and maybe a bit stronger than the diecast if you were going to mount a motorplate or blower brackets to it.
Title: Re: New FE Timing Cover From Roush
Post by: Tboggus on February 01, 2016, 11:04:36 AM: (http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a232/jaredaebly/Mobile%20Uploads/s-l1600-2_zpshoj3zyv9.jpeg) (http://s12.photobucket.com/user/jaredaebly/media/Mobile%20Uploads/s-l1600-2_zpshoj3zyv9.jpeg.html)
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Hard to tell in the picture but is that fuel pump bolt closest to the block too close to allow a fuel pump and bolt to fit?
Title: Re: New FE Timing Cover From Roush
Post by: cjshaker on February 01, 2016, 11:49:47 AM: I wondered that myself. It doesn't even look like there's enough room for the pump mounting boss unless it was ground down to the hole.
Title: Re: New FE Timing Cover From Roush
Post by: Qikbbstang on February 01, 2016, 12:29:37 PM: LOL maybe "THAT'S" why Roush discounted them....D'oh!

At least since Barry R bought (3) there will be an "engineered remedy sooner rather than later. Sure is strange to look at the photo because there looks to be relief at the edge... Hate to think the pump bolt holes are not indexed properly on the cover..............................
Title: Re: New FE Timing Cover From Roush
Post by: Tboggus on February 01, 2016, 12:41:40 PM: I'm certain that its the lighting and camera angle but it looks wrong....
Title: Re: New FE Timing Cover From Roush
Post by: fekbmax on February 01, 2016, 12:50:54 PM: Looks like an indentation there to me, so the ear on the pump would clear, once the pump is in place then the head of the bolt or stud nut would be out in the clear.
Title: Re: New FE Timing Cover From Roush
Post by: cjshaker on February 01, 2016, 02:04:24 PM: Quote from: fekbmax on February 01, 2016, 12:50:54 PM
Looks like an indentation there to me, so the ear on the pump would clear, once the pump is in place then the head of the bolt or stud nut would be out in the clear.

There is an indentation, but it looks like the hole is directly against the backside, which wouldn't leave enough room for the pump ear. I looked at Jay's cover and there is a gap between the hole and the machined flat. Maybe it's just the picture. I guess we'll find out.
Title: Re: New FE Timing Cover From Roush
Post by: ScotiaFE on February 01, 2016, 02:55:46 PM: I can see for the guys who have to have the "Name" or some other bling reason,
BUT that thing and the timing pointer in the pic has to weight twice as much if not more.
And if your making power the best way is to reduce weight.

This from the guy who had to buy some new jeans because his old ones shrunk in the drier. ::)
Title: Re: New FE Timing Cover From Roush
Post by: fekbmax on February 01, 2016, 03:06:06 PM: There is an indentation, but it looks like the hole is directly against the backside, which wouldn't leave enough room for the pump ear. I looked at Jay's cover and there is a gap between the hole and the machined flat. Maybe it's just the picture. I guess we'll find out.
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I bet you guys are pretty handy with a die grinder or angel grinder so I'm confident you all can handle it... ;)
Title: Re: New FE Timing Cover From Roush
Post by: fekbmax on February 01, 2016, 03:07:50 PM: Quote from: ScotiaFE on February 01, 2016, 02:55:46 PM
I can see for the guys who have to have the "Name" or some other bling reason,
BUT that thing and the timing pointer in the pic has to weight twice as much if not more.
And if your making power the best way is to reduce weight.

This from the guy who had to buy some new jeans because his old ones shrunk in the drier. ::)

Funny how those dam jeans shrink around this time every year.. :-\
Title: Re: New FE Timing Cover From Roush
Post by: Heo on February 01, 2016, 04:32:28 PM: Even My leatherjacket shrinked
And it wasnt washed :o :o
Title: Re: New FE Timing Cover From Roush
Post by: bn69stang on February 01, 2016, 07:14:20 PM: Try having a pastry chef for a wife , my jeans shrink from oct , to jan ...... lol
Title: Re: New FE Timing Cover From Roush
Post by: Nightmist66 on February 01, 2016, 10:05:46 PM: I will try to get some pics when the new cover(s) arrive. I can see in the pic, the notch is deep enough for the fuel pump mount. Looks deceiving in that light though.

Here is the timing cover I was planning on using for my next build. Nice piece, but there are a couple things I don't like.

(http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a232/jaredaebly/20160201_193135_zpsajwt93h4.jpg) (http://s12.photobucket.com/user/jaredaebly/media/20160201_193135_zpsajwt93h4.jpg.html)

Just a rear installed seal
(http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a232/jaredaebly/20160201_193111_zpsvbhdg2xk.jpg) (http://s12.photobucket.com/user/jaredaebly/media/20160201_193111_zpsvbhdg2xk.jpg.html)

Here is the fuel pump mount
(http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a232/jaredaebly/20160201_193256_zpsmrrkls49.jpg) (http://s12.photobucket.com/user/jaredaebly/media/20160201_193256_zpsmrrkls49.jpg.html)

Cover flange is only 1/8" thick 3/4 of the way around the cover :-\
(http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a232/jaredaebly/20160201_193855_zpsgm4czucu.jpg) (http://s12.photobucket.com/user/jaredaebly/media/20160201_193855_zpsgm4czucu.jpg.html)

The inside
(http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a232/jaredaebly/20160201_194302_zps6uk0x0mc.jpg) (http://s12.photobucket.com/user/jaredaebly/media/20160201_194302_zps6uk0x0mc.jpg.html)

Probably the cheapest timing pointer they could think of. ::)
(http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a232/jaredaebly/20160201_194721_zpsqndziajm.jpg) (http://s12.photobucket.com/user/jaredaebly/media/20160201_194721_zpsqndziajm.jpg.html)
(http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a232/jaredaebly/20160201_194755_zps9yyry3hv.jpg) (http://s12.photobucket.com/user/jaredaebly/media/20160201_194755_zps9yyry3hv.jpg.html)
(http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a232/jaredaebly/20160201_194921_zpswyoctvkb.jpg) (http://s12.photobucket.com/user/jaredaebly/media/20160201_194921_zpswyoctvkb.jpg.html)
(http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a232/jaredaebly/20160201_194942_zpszrxyniv1.jpg) (http://s12.photobucket.com/user/jaredaebly/media/20160201_194942_zpszrxyniv1.jpg.html)
(http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a232/jaredaebly/20160201_194953_zpssumd3i6j.jpg) (http://s12.photobucket.com/user/jaredaebly/media/20160201_194953_zpssumd3i6j.jpg.html)

I do like the extra hole on each side for alignment dowels
(http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a232/jaredaebly/20160201_195049_zps6f1sdbrc.jpg) (http://s12.photobucket.com/user/jaredaebly/media/20160201_195049_zps6f1sdbrc.jpg.html)
Title: Re: New FE Timing Cover From Roush
Post by: GJCAT427 on February 02, 2016, 06:44:06 AM: That little piece of tin for the pointer will let you mockup your motor. Degree the cam for TDC and make a mark on it for 0 degrees and mark off the fore and aft degrees for timing. Or use timing tape on it. Bet it fits larger aftermarket balancers too.
Title: Re: New FE Timing Cover From Roush
Post by: ChiefDanGeorge on February 02, 2016, 07:48:21 AM: I ordered one since I needed one. Figure for $70 I'll try it, and Rock Auto didn't seem to show a supplier for an OEM one(or I'm not looking in the right spot).
Title: Re: New FE Timing Cover From Roush
Post by: Dumpling on February 02, 2016, 08:20:45 AM: I see Roush put up another (final) batch of their covers on ebay. FYI
Title: Re: New FE Timing Cover From Roush
Post by: Qikbbstang on February 02, 2016, 12:29:21 PM: I thought it over for a while and got off my wallet for that $3.00 extra to have "The Cat In The Hat - Jack Roush" sign mine --pretty darn good deal?....
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LOL in your dreams guys! ............... I don't have a clue about Jack's signing anything

http://www.roushfenway.com/faq/how-can-i-obtain-autographs-from-roush-fenway-racing-team-drivers/
Title: Just received my Roush Timing Cover
Post by: Qikbbstang on February 03, 2016, 02:40:21 PM: Just received my Roush Timing Cover --- 100% optical illusion on the fuel-pump thread location - looks great and I stuck a FE mechanical fuel pump in it just to see all is well.
BTW: What makes the rainbow glare off the machined sections?
Title: Re: New FE Timing Cover From Roush
Post by: turbohunter on February 03, 2016, 02:55:32 PM: How's the thickness around the gasket area?
Title: Re: Just received my Roush Timing Cover
Post by: Tboggus on February 03, 2016, 03:30:40 PM: Quote from: Qikbbstang on February 03, 2016, 02:40:21 PM
Just received my Roush Timing Cover --- 100% optical illusion on the fuel-pump thread location - looks great.
What makes the rainbow glare off the machined sections?

Good news! Thanks for letting us know.
Title: Re: New FE Timing Cover From Roush
Post by: bn69stang on February 03, 2016, 05:23:28 PM: Still waiting for mine to show up , but thanks for the feedback ..
Title: Re: New FE Timing Cover From Roush
Post by: Nightmist66 on February 03, 2016, 08:24:06 PM: Here are some pics! :D

So, maybe I bought two. ::)
(http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a232/jaredaebly/Mobile%20Uploads/20160203_185901_zpszcmfylat.jpg) (http://s12.photobucket.com/user/jaredaebly/media/Mobile%20Uploads/20160203_185901_zpszcmfylat.jpg.html)

(http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a232/jaredaebly/Mobile%20Uploads/20160203_190031_zpspsqnhoss.jpg) (http://s12.photobucket.com/user/jaredaebly/media/Mobile%20Uploads/20160203_190031_zpspsqnhoss.jpg.html)
Room to spare.
(http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a232/jaredaebly/Mobile%20Uploads/20160203_190216_zpscklguf58.jpg) (http://s12.photobucket.com/user/jaredaebly/media/Mobile%20Uploads/20160203_190216_zpscklguf58.jpg.html)

(http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a232/jaredaebly/Mobile%20Uploads/20160203_190319_zps0f4ega6y.jpg) (http://s12.photobucket.com/user/jaredaebly/media/Mobile%20Uploads/20160203_190319_zps0f4ega6y.jpg.html)

(http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a232/jaredaebly/Mobile%20Uploads/20160203_190405_zpskwkewxja.jpg) (http://s12.photobucket.com/user/jaredaebly/media/Mobile%20Uploads/20160203_190405_zpskwkewxja.jpg.html)
Title: Re: New FE Timing Cover From Roush
Post by: Nightmist66 on February 03, 2016, 08:48:30 PM: Quote from: turbohunter on February 03, 2016, 02:55:32 PM
How's the thickness around the gasket area?

Pan rail area is 5/16" and block mating surface is 3/8" thick. Very robust looking. I like it. :)
Title: Re: New FE Timing Cover From Roush
Post by: turbohunter on February 03, 2016, 09:37:37 PM: Thanks for the gasket rail measure Jared.
Hey one more thing. Are the front pan bolt holes there?
Haven't seen that view in any pics. I see the corner front bolt holes but don't see the front.
They're prolly there, just no bumps or anything to know. Which suggests the casting is pretty thick.
Unlike the Shelby deal.
Title: Re: New FE Timing Cover From Roush
Post by: fekbmax on February 03, 2016, 09:57:48 PM: .
Title: Re: New FE Timing Cover From Roush
Post by: cjshaker on February 03, 2016, 11:31:33 PM: Marc, if you look above, you can see the bumps on the inside. It must be pretty thick towards the outer side.

And that was an optical illusion. That machining mark makes it look like that pump bolt hole is on the edge. Well played, Jack. Well played :P
Title: Re: New FE Timing Cover From Roush
Post by: turbohunter on February 03, 2016, 11:51:39 PM: I thought that was the Shelby part that had the inside bumps. ???
Title: Re: New FE Timing Cover From Roush
Post by: Nightmist66 on February 04, 2016, 12:34:14 AM: Quote from: turbohunter on February 03, 2016, 11:51:39 PM
I thought that was the Shelby part that had the inside bumps. ???

Shelby:
(http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a232/jaredaebly/20160201_194302_zps6uk0x0mc.jpg) (http://s12.photobucket.com/user/jaredaebly/media/20160201_194302_zps6uk0x0mc.jpg.html)

Roush:
(http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a232/jaredaebly/Mobile%20Uploads/s-l1600-1-1_zpsirlmwsqw.jpeg) (http://s12.photobucket.com/user/jaredaebly/media/Mobile%20Uploads/s-l1600-1-1_zpsirlmwsqw.jpeg.html)
Title: Re: New FE Timing Cover From Roush
Post by: turbohunter on February 04, 2016, 10:41:40 AM: Gracias amigo. :)
Title: Re: New FE Timing Cover From Roush
Post by: bn69stang on February 04, 2016, 07:47:54 PM: Thanks for the awesome pics , mine should be here tomorrow
Title: Re: New FE Timing Cover From Roush
Post by: ChiefDanGeorge on February 05, 2016, 04:55:23 AM: Got mine yesterday, pretty quick turnaround!
Title: Re: New FE Timing Cover From Roush
Post by: bn69stang on February 06, 2016, 11:27:33 AM: Timing cover arrived , looks great - nice part ..
Title: Re: New FE Timing Cover From Roush
Post by: mn67 on February 07, 2016, 08:29:49 AM: Timing cover arrived. Nice part. Thanks for the heads up. It was one of the last parts I needed to finish a 445 short block.