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Today I got my Ford Racing M-6268-A390 timing chain delivered.  The markings and manufacture are very different from the previous Cloyes chains I've dealt with, they really look nothing alike.   It does look identical to the photo on FR website though:



Installed it does fit tighter than the last one, but it does have some play in it.  I measure just under 1/4" of total deflection in the chain.  The keyways look correct and degreeing the cam proved the +4 keyway was right on the money and set the ICL of my cam right at 104 as needed.  After checking the ECL and crunching the numbers the LSA came up right at 110 as it should be.  Not sure if I should call it quits on the great timing chain fiasco or keep trying to find something that fits more snug than this.  

The local NAPA parts store carries reboxed +.005 and +.010 Cloyes Tru-roller chains (at a $60 markup over MSRP of Cloyes I might add..).  I explained the problems I've been having to the NAPA clerk and asked if an installed set was out of spec at over 1/2" deflection if the set could be returned as it would be defective and was given a very stern, but polite, "absolutely not."   :-\

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Member Projects / Re: 545" High Riser Build
« on: March 06, 2012, 01:25:53 PM »
Put some high-temp socks on the wires...problem solved.   ;D

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Leave the step there, you won't gain anything by matching it to the port floor in a low riser style head.

Great, thats the confirmation I needed.  I also just saved myself a few hours of grinding away with no benefit.  Thanks all!

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I've got a stock valley pan I plan to use of that's what you mean.

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FE Technical Forum / Porting Performer RPM Intake, Match the Floor?
« on: March 06, 2012, 01:24:03 AM »
I'm doing a gasket match port job on my Performer RPM intake while waiting for another round of timing chains to arrive.  Got the sides and roof blended well on one side of the intake.  Whats the consensus on matching the floors?  Leave the 1/2" or so step in place or hog it out and blend it too?

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Resolved my initial issue of the key ways being cut wrong with a new billet race cloyes timing set that finally arrived today.  The +4 advance keyway sets the cam right at 104 where it should be.  Comparing the keyways, the prior one was definitely 4 or more degrees off.

However, I'm now back to where I was 4-5 timing chains ago and have another damn sloppy chain with 1/2" of deflection in it.   >:( I measured as best I could the cam to crank centerline distance and I get 5.043, which is darn close to the 5.044 that I read is the OEM distance thinking that could be the reason for this string of bad luck with chains.  Would a -.005 or -0.010 timing set do anything for me in terms of tightening up the chain?  I'm really ready to walk away from Cloyes altogether, as this makes nearly a half dozen timing sets that are messed up in one way or another.  Ridiculous.  ???

I have serious doubts about the Ford Racing units if they are made by Cloyes.  Do they install tight and are the key ways correct?

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Looks good to me.   8) Now you've got me wondering if I could squeeze in two oil sending units without all the plumbing that I used.  :-\

This is the larger port stock C8AE version, and I'd see no issue with up to six holes if you really didn't care if it looked like swiss cheese.  I guinea pigged my C0AE small port as a test and it drilled/tapped very nicely.  I hate the look of seven different plumbing adapters and tee's that I've had on every hotrod up til now.  This at least looks semi-intrusive. 

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Looked like $13 to ship $3 worth of parts, so I'll buy from them when I've got more stuff I need down the road. 

Went ahead and tapped it for 1/8NPT after a trip to 3 different hardware stores for a tap.  Looks like it should work, though pretty as a mud fence.   :-\




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Thanks guys, that fitting along with a 1/4 to 1/8 reducer will do the trick.

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Maybe a rhetorical question, but could I drill and tap my oil filter adapter for an 1/8" NPT hole to mount my adapter fitting for the mechanical oil pressure line?  It sure looks like there would be enough room just upstream of the filter to put the hole in there.  I have a Tee fitting from ViAir, but it's way too tall and wont clear the block with the idiot light sender in it.  Maybe there is a lower profile 1/4" NPT male - 1/8 NPT female - 1/4" NPT female tee fitting out there that would do the job just as easily?

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I'm thinking about going to check out the Nevada's Silver State Classic Challenge in September instead.  Has anyone gone before to any of these races?  Been doing the Bonneville Speed Week thing for too many years, need to go see some different racing for a change. 

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FE Technical Forum / Re: Problems with Cloyes Roller Timing set 3108a 3108b
« on: February 21, 2012, 10:22:52 AM »
I've had good luck with the Rollmaster sets.  They use the good Iwis chain; suggest you give Doug at Precision Oil Pumps a call, because he usually has those in stock.

That sounds like a good idea, I need to talk to him about a rocker stand kit anyway.

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FE Technical Forum / Re: Problems with Cloyes Roller Timing set 3108a 3108b
« on: February 21, 2012, 12:39:44 AM »
I thought the same thing, so I tried it in the retard keyway and it moved the ICL to 117.5 degrees, which definitely retarded the cam, but way too far again. That would be +9.5 from the 0 keyway.  Looking at the keyway slots closer this evening, I can visibly see both the advance and retard keyways look as though they are right in the middle between teeth on the sprocket.  The teeth would be 15 degrees apart, so that would put the keyways roughly 7.5 degrees apart on either side of zero.  Everything on this engine has been a battle, I'm sure this wont be the last.  I'll talk to Cloyes tomorrow.

Have you used any of the 9-keyway sets out there?  I think that may be the magic bullet hopefully.

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FE Technical Forum / Problems with Cloyes Roller Timing set 3108a 3108b
« on: February 20, 2012, 09:04:42 PM »
I spent the afternoon checking out the new roller cam for my 428.  I have a Cloyes roller timing set with 3108a and 3108b gears.  With the gears in the "straight up" position, the ICL on the cam dials in at 108.  Spec on the card says 104.  At this point I'm stoked because I know this timing set is supposed to go +4 and -4.  I swap the crank gear into the advance position, recheck the ICL and now we're at 100?  Double checked everything again with the same result.  Anyone had any issues with Cloyes gears like this being so far off?  I suppose biting the bullet and getting a 9 way adjustable set may be in order, anyone used them before and have a brand to recommend now that my confidence in Cloyes is a tad shaken?

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Good Deals! / BBquikstang
« on: February 16, 2012, 11:29:52 AM »
I bought a Fairlane Thunderbolt (model) from Mr. BB.  Arrived well packaged and as described, and he had good communication with me through the whole transaction.  I'd buy from him again.

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