428cj heads $worth$

[galaxastang]

Hey guys,
        New here and to FE's. Just got a 67 Galaxie and what to gain some hp. Rebuilt stock 390 .30 over, have a chance to pick up a set of rebuilt (stock no work done)428cj heads C8OE-6090-N. He wants $800, good deal or not? Says one has slight water damage in small area from bad head gasket. I'll try to get pics, says it will clean up with milling. Also, the car came with a Lunati cam and lifter kit 00054LK, was going to used in the rebuild, but decided not to use it. It has a edelbrock rpm and 670 street avenger carb (needs headers). Rebuilt C6 shifts nice, but could use trans-go kit. Runs good, but I'm wanting a little more. Would these parts help wake it up? 
                                                                           Thanks 

[jayb]

Welcome aboard.  $800 isn't bad if they're ready to run.  If the heads on the engine now are basically stock, the CJ heads will make a 20-25 HP improvement.  The cam would help a lot too; what are the specs?  Does the car have headers?

Also FYI we have a forum policy of keeping questions about the values of parts in the classifieds section; the reason is that on some forums people will ask about a value as a way of putting the parts up for sale.  Obviously that was not your intent; just something to keep in mind. 

[fe66comet]

I started my first build this year too my advice is know where you want to end up before you start and have a picture of what you want to do with it when you are done. I kinda did it backwards and found a lot of surprises along the way.

[galaxastang]

jayb,
     Sorry about that, I'll keep that in mind. The heads are ready to run I'm just worried about the small amount of water damage, will it hurt the head, it looks minor. What about bore notching, I here different things? Need it for the exhaust valve, but ok if your at .30 over or more?

Summit Racing Part Number: LUN-00054LK
UPC: 090127463864 Cam Style: Hydraulic flat tappet Basic Operating RPM Range: 1,500-5,000 Intake Duration at 050 inch Lift: 230 Exhaust Duration at 050 inch Lift: 230 Duration at 050 inch Lift: 230 int./230 exh. Advertised Intake Duration: 292 Advertised Exhaust Duration: 292 Advertised Duration: 292 int./292 exh. Intake Valve Lift with Factory Rocker Arm Ratio: 0.554 in. Exhaust Valve Lift with Factory Rocker Arm Ratio: 0.554 in. Valve Lift with Factory Rocker Arm Ratio: 0.554 int./0.554 exh. Lobe Separation (degrees): 109 Computer-Controlled Compatible: No Lifters Included: Yes Lifter Style: Hydraulic flat tappet

 No headers, looking for a set now that will work on the heads and 67 Galaxie. I will probably need a converter for that cam, wondering on stall, will have to call Lunati.  Will I need a adjustable rocker set up or will the stock valvetrain work for me?Thanks

[galaxastang]

fe66comet,
                 I'm not looking to get nuts, mostly street with some track fun. The cam came with the car so
I figured I'd work around it. I have a chance to get a set of heads that will help, that's right around the corner, so I won't have to worry about shipping. That's why I'm on here, to seek advice and knowledge. I've been away from cars a long time, I've owned three Harleys, but since sold them all to get back into cars. The Gal I just got and my 66 coupe 351C.
                        Thanks

[jayb]

If you can post a picture of the water damage on the heads that would help us figure out if its a problem.  But from your description its probably not an issue.

Headers would be a big help; I wouldn't bother with the heads unless you can bolt on headers at the same time.  I don't think you will need to notch the bores if the valves in the heads are stock CJ size.

That cam is also pretty mild, and probably would work OK with the stock converter.  I'd certainly give it a try before I went to an aftermarket converter.  I think you could probably use it with the stock valvetrain.

[galaxastang]

Here's a pic of the damage, worse than I thought at second glance.
Hope you can open it said it was to big at fisrt, sorry computer illiterate! lol

[ScotiaFE]

Link's not working for me.

I run CJ heads on my 30 over 390 and do not have bore notch's.
It's been running fine for years now.
Well since your asking us to spend your money...
You should buy the heads, put the cam in, get an Edelbrock RPM intake and headers and change the rear gear to a 3.50 or so.
Upgrade the dizzy to a electronic type with a good advance curve of about 36 total mechanical.
And a 750ish Holley.
That should about use up a money bag with the dollar sign on it.

[galaxastang]

Scotiafe,
        I'll try again later to get a pic up, like I said computer illiterate. That's good I won't have to worry about notching, I have a edelbrock rpm already. I'll have to look into a 750 vac secondary I was thinking? It already has elec. distributor, will have to tune it, I believe it came with sets of springs to adjust. I also have another 9" from my previous Galaxie, 411 detroit locker, I can swap. May help with the cam instead of changing the converter. Yes-no? It's only money, can't take it with ya. Off to the show until tomorrow, Thanks all

[galaxastang]

Ok guys I think I have got the picture thing solved. Ok ok, my kids took care of it. Here we go. Do you guys think this is a problem? Thanks

[fe66comet]

Not at all it is not in the gasket surface just in the combustion area, I would give them a clean up anyhow though to true them up. Maybe .010 would give them a good clean surface for new composite gaskets or copper.

[galaxastang]

I was so concerned I didn't realize it wasn't in the gasket surface. That's not enough material to need to match the intake or will new gaskets take care of that? 

[jayb]

I was so concerned I didn't realize it wasn't in the gasket surface. That's not enough material to need to match the intake or will new gaskets take care of that?

Not sure what you mean about matching the intake?  Are you going to cut the heads to try to get rid of some of that, and that is the reason for the matching the intake question?

I agree with Howie that the pitting will not affect  the head gasket seal, but in my opinion it would affect the value of the heads.  I don't think I'd pay $800 for them looking like that; $600 maybe.  Just my opinion...

[fe66comet]

I just suggested take a small amount off to clean the surface up and yes any amount can be adjusted with a gasket but 005 or 010 is really nothing if you are matching anyhow.

[galaxastang]

jayb,
     That is the only spot on the heads with the pitting and yes, I just wanted to make sure milling the heads wouldn't affect the intake. I didn't think .010 was much, but want to be sure.  If you think the price is to high, what about a set of C4AE-6090-G machined for cj valves? I hear they are near the same after the valve work? I can get a set for near half the cj's with the valve already done.  Thanks guys                P.S.   streetmaster or rpm,  I have a rpm but a friend is willing to swap me his streetmaster