Author Topic: 2000 F-250 5.4 engine sparkplug replacement local dealer handed me a $1600 bill  (Read 5097 times)

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bsprowl

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My new house doesn't have a shop.  I'm in the process of building one. 

My F-250 had a miss that the code indicated was a bad plug or coil.  I had the plugs changed at 305,000; now has 397,000.

Dealer estimate was $350 plus a half hour labor for each spark plug that stripped coming out.  Told me one of the bolts holding down a coil stripped .

WTF!!!

The truck had regular servicing by my last employer who sold it to me a year ago.

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My new house doesn't have a shop.  I'm in the process of building one. 

My F-250 had a miss that the code indicated was a bad plug or coil.  I had the plugs changed at 305,000; now has 397,000.

Dealer estimate was $350 plus a half hour labor for each spark plug that stripped coming out.  Told me one of the bolts holding down a coil stripped .

WTF!!!

The truck had regular servicing by my last employer who sold it to me a year ago.

Wait a minute. Did you actually have this done yet?

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I've repaired the spark plug threads on a lot of mod motors and never had to do all 8, especially if they've been serviced regularly. I think the worst ones I've done are early V10's in work trucks and F600's and even then I haven't done all of them unless someone requested it.

Hopefully they didn't just do the work and then hand you a bill for work you didn't fully authorize.

1600 bucks is half the cost of a nice 2 post to put in your new shop!

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The bill included R&R of the intake manifold which I DID NOT authorize.  I walked out mad (should have taken the bill with me so I could read it more closely).  Told them I would be back in the morning. 

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The bill included R&R of the intake manifold which I DID NOT authorize.  I walked out mad (should have taken the bill with me so I could read it more closely).  Told them I would be back in the morning.

Why in blazes would they do that? This dealer is ripping you off big time. If the plugs were changed 100k ago, they would have the revised design and should have been installed with anti-seize per Ford spec. Nice and easy removal. I've changed the coils, injectors, plugs on my 5.4. No outside labor needed. No broken parts or stripped threads. The 5.4 guru is https://www.youtube.com/user/FordTechMakuloco

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A 2000 would be a 2 valve. They didn't have the spark plug seizing problem, they had a problem with the plugs coming loose and blowing out. Sometimes when they blew out they took the threads with them. A heli-coil usually fixes that. I don't know why they would take the intake off. Exhaust manifolds were a problem, are you sure they didn't do that and not an intake. 
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Some Ford dealers are now part of conglomerates who own other dealerships including foreign brands.  Their customer relations are like Godzilla vs boy with a squirt gun.  Happened to the local Ford dealer here.   

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I would file a complaint with my state attorney general and consumer protection agency.
This is nothing more then a total rip off.
I have quit dealerships I worked at in the past for doing this very thing.
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Unfortunately a common issue on Ford mod motors....internet info leads you to believe they fixed it on V10's in '02 but I am hear to tell you they did not. My '03 warped a head, different story, and got both heads done....had I known about the plug issue at the time I would have had inserts put in while they were on the bench...but no. Blew one about 20 miles from home at 4:15 going duck hunting. Thought I blew a rod honestly....figured it out and up-lugged the injector and went home. Never threw a code until I pulled it into the garage to fix it! I used a mid level kit that has a reamer, tap, and guide with nice inserts.
Took about two hours start to finish...took longer to get it on TDC than anything.  Intake should not have to come off, on my V10 the back would be hard to do though...not sure on a 5.4.

Some will cringe but I put all new plugs in, and red Loctite on them. What happens is the plugs get loose from heat cycles, then start vibrating and eat the few threads up and spit the plug. My theory was eliminate this and if it does not work, so what, you have to ream the hole anyway to do the job correctly.  Fingers crossed a plug does not go bad.  Granted I don't see my truck going another 100K miles, has 105,000 on the clock now. I can't believe yours made it that long!

Ford really dropped the ball on this aspect, and head bolt suppliers circa 03.
Good luck at the dealer....around here that is 300-500 job...at least a few years ago.

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Must have been one of the coil bolts at the rear under the cab. The passenger side is hard to get to.

FElony

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Must have been one of the coil bolts at the rear under the cab. The passenger side is hard to get to.

Yeah, I usually remove the PCM's and bracket to work on #4. Good design, Ford!

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A 2000 would be a 2 valve. They didn't have the spark plug seizing problem, they had a problem with the plugs coming loose and blowing out. Sometimes when they blew out they took the threads with them. A heli-coil usually fixes that. I don't know why they would take the intake off. Exhaust manifolds were a problem, are you sure they didn't do that and not an intake.

I'm gonna bet they claim there was a crack in one runner that leaned out that cylinder, causing the misfire code.

My truck does eat coils. Ford or aftermarket, doesn't matter. The scuttle is that they just heat up too much from being a true coil-on-plug. I was considering rigging a coil bank for each side and running wires to the plugs, like the LS [cough, wheez,] setup. Make sense?

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I was considering rigging a coil bank for each side and running wires to the plugs, like the LS [cough, wheez,] setup.
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Be careful FElony, thinking outside the box will get you in trouble....Ford would not have engineered it that way if it did not work, right? I mean who do you think you are to use that thing between your shoulders for the betterment of mechanics....you have to have mile long titles and schooling for all that....and to speak the words L....S....

You may be on to something, could be a million dollar idea ...hmmm.... "Coil Savers"...I want royalties.
Someone needs to go back in time and slap the person who only put room for three/four threads in a spark plug hole.

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I believe that is a high figure but, a big but, labor here is $110/hour. Does not take long to get the bill up in the stratosphere. The dealer should have asked before doing the work, pretty simple. One can complain , but usually doesn't put any money back in your pocket.

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Be careful FElony, thinking outside the box will get you in trouble....Ford would not have engineered it that way if it did not work, right? I mean who do you think you are to use that thing between your shoulders for the betterment of mechanics....you have to have mile long titles and schooling for all that....and to speak the words L....S....

You may be on to something, could be a million dollar idea ...hmmm.... "Coil Savers"...I want royalties.
Someone needs to go back in time and slap the person who only put room for three/four threads in a spark plug hole.

Yep, some people would rather I don't think at all. Just be a mindless automaton. Do as all the others do. FElony Chang? Has a ring to it.