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« on: April 08, 2020, 01:22:04 PM »
Remember when I said that non-COVID fatalities were deliberately being counted as COVID, and that the mountains of dead bodies were an exaggeration? Remember I told you to follow the money to see what's really going on? Let's see now....

https://www.zerohedge.com/health/march-us-deaths-covid-19-totaled-less-2-all-deaths

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bwrYsqzXFdc

Did you see where there really is no shortage of ventilators for New York or anywhere else?

Oh, but no no no FElony you are a stupid conspiracy theorist that needs to be beaten and castrated. You are an idiot who deserves a double dose of the bat attack. I hate you FElony. Scum. Bastid. Ingrate. How could you possibly cast dispersions on the garbage we are fed every day?

I say this to that: "Who's your daddy now?" Now send me cheezburgrs with lots of bacon. And toilet paper. Do it now.

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« Reply #1 on: April 08, 2020, 01:51:11 PM »
Deaths are being listed as Covid19 when they are from something else. The virus is not killing many people but the economic harm will certainly kill a lot more.

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« Reply #2 on: April 08, 2020, 01:57:18 PM »
But, but, but........I don't know.  All I know is that we're destroying the world economy over something that looks to be on par with a moderately bad flu season.  Not to mention all the little wanna-be tyrants are getting their groove on.

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« Reply #3 on: April 08, 2020, 02:01:57 PM »
I didn't see where it said that we have plenty of ventilators, and nobody is running short?  That would be interesting to see.

Frankly, I think you guys don't know enough about the situation to be calling it overblown.  My wife is no alarmist, but she is an infectious disease doctor at the local county hospital, and has a PhD in microbiology in addition to her MD.  Which means she knows a lot more than you guys about this stuff.  In 25 years of marriage I have never seen her so spooked by any health issue.  Smart money is to be careful.

And by the way, if this thread degenerates into something political, I will lock it - Jay 
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« Reply #4 on: April 08, 2020, 02:05:33 PM »
You Sir, are truly standing on the Tip of the Iceburg!

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« Reply #5 on: April 08, 2020, 02:33:54 PM »
I didn't see where it said that we have plenty of ventilators, and nobody is running short?  That would be interesting to see.

Different vid, from yesterday. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VdK77bhAwO0

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Frankly, I think you guys don't know enough about the situation to be calling it overblown.  My wife is no alarmist, but she is an infectious disease doctor at the local county hospital, and has a PhD in microbiology in addition to her MD.  Which means she knows a lot more than you guys about this stuff.  In 25 years of marriage I have never seen her so spooked by any health issue.  Smart money is to be careful.

Does your wife know more than the information that is coming out? If so, I'd like to hear her factual rebuttal, as well as how she would know about what's happening behind the scenes than anyone else. Regardless, care should be exercised. Nobody is saying that COVID doesn't exist. From the MSM paints the disposition of DB's, my money is on the majority of them being homeless and immune compromised.
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And by the way, if this thread degenerates into something political, I will lock it - Jay

Nobody has mentioned politics but yourself, Jay. This situation transcends politics, but there is a good chance that politicians are among those benefiting, and they need to be found out.


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« Reply #6 on: April 08, 2020, 02:44:37 PM »
Deaths are being listed as Covid19 when they are from something else. The virus is not killing many people but the economic harm will certainly kill a lot more.

What we never really saw from China was the direct result of them boarding up people in their apartments so they could not escape. I have to wonder how many deaths that situation caused. More than the virus itself? We will never know.

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« Reply #7 on: April 08, 2020, 03:01:17 PM »
You Sir, are truly standing on the Tip of the Iceberg!

Is that the nice way of saying someone must have jammed a 3-foot popsicle up my hiney?

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Allow me, if you please, to introduce you to my only social media site - Gab.ai

Your exceedingly thick and cheeseburger enhanced skin should fare well in this, *gasp* less I say it , free atmosphere.

Free speech is their cornerstone and you will be in the epicenter of current day controversies. Beware, tho, they are closely monitored by the very Powers that Be.

Seriously, a very dynamic company with young and energetic leadership. Full disclosure, am an early user and investor. ;D

You're welcome!

I do know about the Gabster. I also know that it is watched, and I don't need to be on any more lists than I already am. (((They))) can just consider me a washed-up has-been, just sitting here in my undershorts smoking catnip and writing lyrics to old songs that will never see the light of day. Example? Remember "Copacabana" from Barry Manilow? This is what I have so far:

Well it's the Covid
The Covid virus
The hottest thing since sliced papyrus
The Covid
The Covid viiiiiii rus
People are dropping
Cuz their luuuungs just keep popping
It's the Covid....

Needs more zing? Maybe another hit of the 'nip.

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« Reply #8 on: April 08, 2020, 03:40:50 PM »
Cool.... I’ll let my cousin John and his family know it isn’t a big deal. Just a conspiracy.

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« Reply #9 on: April 08, 2020, 03:49:27 PM »
>Remember when I said that non-COVID fatalities were deliberately being counted as COVID,

Actually, this is wrong.  So your premise is false at the get-go.  They are NOT listing nor counting certain deaths as COVID because they are not testing the bodies.  There are not enough kits and in many places the medical exam departments do not even have kits.  They are listing some as "probable" if the symptoms warrant but the CDC is not including those in their counts.  Out count is 1 (one) dead and everyone that I talk to in the local med community says "that's not right."  I had been told of confirmed cases 10 days before locals actually reported the positive numbers.

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« Reply #10 on: April 08, 2020, 04:38:12 PM »


Different vid, from yesterday. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VdK77bhAwO0


I didn't see anything about ventilators in that clip, but the information about the projections vs. the actual numbers was interesting nonetheless.  However, the original projections for the spread of the virus did not include a factor for the effect of social distancing.  This changes the R0 factor (the number of people the average infected person will spread it to), and slows the spread of the virus.  So, the news report did not provide the full story.  Typical.

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Does your wife know more than the information that is coming out? If so, I'd like to hear her factual rebuttal, as well as how she would know about what's happening behind the scenes than anyone else. Regardless, care should be exercised. Nobody is saying that COVID doesn't exist. From the MSM paints the disposition of DB's, my money is on the majority of them being homeless and immune compromised.

Of course she knows more.  She sees it first hand for one thing, talks to her doctor colleagues about it for another, has a daily meeting with her hospital staff to discuss issues related to PPEs, ventilators, etc, and also a conference call with the state department of health a couple times a week.  Do you seriously think all that info makes it on the news?  Of course not.  How many doctors are you talking to?  Are you getting your information anywhere but the news and the internet?  And if so, are you considering everything you see as factual and unbiased???  You of all people should know that the news organizations are slanted, just like everybody else.  Ratings.  Follow the money.  Goes for Fox and all the major networks, as well, not to mention all the alarmist and conspiracy theory web sites out there.

My wife says that the epidemiologists at her hospital think Covid19 is being way under reported, not over reported, mostly because testing has been very limited.  Here is some factual information for you.  In Minnesota if you show symptoms, you will only be tested if 1) you are living in group home, like a retirement home, or 2) if you are a health care worker or a family member of a health care worker, or 3) if you are in for non-elective surgery or are a pregnant woman coming in to give birth, or 4) if you are sick enough to be admitted to the hospital.   If someone comes into her hospital today with flu-like symptoms, they do not get a Covid19 test unless they are sick enough to be admitted.  The reason is that if it's a mild case, the doctors can't do anything anyway, and the testing itself is still bottlenecked, at least here. 

Here is another interesting piece of factual information.  The tests that are out there are 1) NOT all the same test, and 2) of varying degrees of accuracy.  My wife's hospital has developed their own testing protocol, which they say is 90% accurate for detecting presence of the virus.  Most other hospitals in our state use the state's department of health test, which has been shown to be only 60% accurate.  So a significant number of people who test negative may have the virus anyway.

My wife has had several patients that she has wanted to test for the virus, but they don't meet criteria to allow for the test.  Here's an example:  about a month ago a kid came into her hospital in respiratory distress.  He and his father had just come from Hong Kong, and the father was beginning to show symptoms.  At the time, testing for the virus was limited by the CDC to people who had recently been in or around Wuhan China, so this kid didn't qualify despite being in the Hong Kong airport for several hours (where flights from Wuhan had been arriving), and having to be admitted to the hospital for a couple days.  My wife went to the extreme of contacting the CDC for permission to run the test, but was turned down.  She's pretty sure that both of those people had it.  To this day there are restrictions on who gets tested, as mentioned previously.

Here's another example, say somebody dies at home, which still happens a lot.  Dead people are not tested for the virus, so deaths are classified as natural causes or from pre-existing conditions.  Some of them are, obviously, but many of them may not be. 

One piece of good news, again according to my wife, is that the death rate from the virus is probably artificially high, because of the limited testing.  So if four times as many people have it as have tested positive, that means the death rate is four times lower than is currently being reported.  But there are still a lot of deaths from this stuff.  Refrigerated semis parked in hospital parking lots and filled with dead bodies, like what you see in New York, are not normal for our health care system, and indicate an uptick in the death rate.

This situation is just like any other major event, not as bad as the alarmists would have us believe, but more serious than the conspiracy theorists want to think.  Everyone has their own opinion; mine is, why take chances?


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« Reply #11 on: April 08, 2020, 04:43:49 PM »
And I'd just add that, yes, there have not been any reports of health facilities running out of ventilators, but that there was/is a real threat of it happening. Facts can be twisted in many ways. Example: If I have one can of food, then I am not "out" of food, but that one can is only gonna last me one day. In the end, there will be a plethora of ventilators sitting unused in warehouses. That's better than not having enough.

There is, however, a real argument to be made that we're just going to have to put everything aside (reasonably and responsibly) and get back to work. Putting tens of millions of people out of work and losing millions and millions of small businesses is going to hurt far worse than any current scenario. It sounds cold hearted, but reality can be that way, and it most certainly does not care about your feelings or desires.
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« Reply #12 on: April 08, 2020, 05:09:16 PM »
Hopefully this will extend the life of the Social Security Trust Fund, and reduce nursing home costs in the future as demand decreases.

Personally, I'm really concerned about the total lack of planning for coming out of this.  I'm recovered, just waiting for the availability of an antibody test to prove immunity. Until that test becomes available, I'm stuck in lockdown with everyone else.  Britain and Italy are discussing special licenses for people who test positive for the antibodies, so that they can return to an active, productive, "normal" life.  As far as I know, the US is just fingerpointing and blaming everyone for lack of planning and execution, but not planning for the end of this.

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« Reply #13 on: April 08, 2020, 05:11:48 PM »
People die of respiratory diseases in huge numbers every year. That is not reason to shut down the entire world. If this same approach was used for other death... say Chicago murders , nobody in that city would be allowed out without a suit of armor. Life is full of risks.

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« Reply #14 on: April 08, 2020, 06:48:52 PM »
We are still in the discovery phase here poeple, new deal, new things to learn and biological stuff has it's challenges to fully understand.  Do you guys set up your engines lean for break in?