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yellercat

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Truck pans
« on: March 12, 2020, 10:26:18 AM »
Putting a 'mild' (for you guys) 390 into a 3/4 ton F100 (250) and wanting to add some oil pan capacity. Will someone steer me to some that will fit without a jumble of headaches?
Like the Canton brand, but unsure about their 'T' type front sump fitment. Open to any that are proven to work.
Will put some engine pics up when I get my hands on it. Appreciate any guidance.
« Last Edit: March 12, 2020, 04:41:08 PM by yellercat »
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Re: Truck pans
« Reply #1 on: March 12, 2020, 10:53:05 AM »
4x2 or 4x4...3/4 ton F100?
I have a 4x4 Canton Pan that will be on the market in the next week or two. Dyno time only.

I know on 73-77 3/4 Ton 4x4 that only certain aftermarket pans will work. Factory rear sumps work obviously.

yellercat

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Re: Truck pans
« Reply #2 on: March 12, 2020, 11:55:58 AM »
Shoulda' said, it's a 4x2 in 1969. F250 yes, not F100.
Think it was a front sump originally, but not sure. Came to me with a stripped 360, (no oil pan etc.) and a hat in its hands.
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Re: Truck pans
« Reply #3 on: March 12, 2020, 11:59:20 AM »
I was wondering what a 3/4 ton F100 was...  You can't use a T pan, the engine is offset to the right and the crossmember slopes upward just to the right side of a stock pan.  Not much room to go deeper either so use a longer sump. The heavy truck "breadpan" probably runs into the tie rods.  A pan could be welded up to make the sump longer and widened only on the left side.

yellercat

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Re: Truck pans
« Reply #4 on: March 12, 2020, 12:10:24 PM »
In my defense, there IS an F100 in the garage, but it's a different challenge.
Weld up is over my head for now. Surely, there is an aftermarket that will fit.
The Canton 'truck' pan hangs down both front and rear, but maybe ......
That slope in the crossmember is what has me asking.
Brad
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Re: Truck pans
« Reply #5 on: March 12, 2020, 01:35:38 PM »
I can't imagine that Canton 4x4 or Fox body pan not hitting the tie rods and the shallow area is where you would want the depth.

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Re: Truck pans
« Reply #6 on: March 12, 2020, 01:43:45 PM »
Are you planning on doing some off-roading? If not, you really don't need the bigger pan for a mild build. An extra quart of oil in the pan (even recommended by Ford back in the day) would keep you safe. I ran my '68 Highboy with a stock pan and an extra quart for almost 25 years, never an issue, and that was with a mild but healthy 390 that would turn 6000 if I wanted it to, and did some off roading and field duty.
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yellercat

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Re: Truck pans
« Reply #7 on: March 12, 2020, 04:55:58 PM »
Well the stock pan would be safer, and no, not planning any off-roading use just maybe a lap around the hay field.
The engine will have the RPM heads and intake, .030 bore and their cam so figure 410 hp; maybe the extra oil capacity isn't necessary?
Will get adjustable roller rockers and like it to see 6500 rpm without puckering. Will put a 2400-2700 stall converter in the C6.
Putting new I beam rods in for dependability and keeping the stock crank. It will be a street truck in sheep wool; for fun. Haven't figured the carb or the ignition; and never think far enough ahead, so maybe some gentle advice is in order.
But about that oil pan..... and pump..... will it need additional capacity and flow? Was thinking yes, but may be I am off track... be nice to have it last awhile... ;)
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Re: Truck pans
« Reply #8 on: March 12, 2020, 06:52:24 PM »
I have a 73 F250 camper special that ended up with a deep front sump on it. I had to trim down the sump a little and then the only reason it fit then was because the engine sat taller as it was a early 64 block and I had to make an adapter plate to use the stock truck motor mount isolators with the 2 bolt block which raised the engine about 3/8".  I have not found an off the shelf pan that fits a 2wd twin ibeam truck without modification yet.

As has been mentioned, I just run extra oil in it and it's been fine for me.

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Re: Truck pans
« Reply #9 on: March 12, 2020, 07:50:42 PM »
If your ‘69 is configured like my ‘65 F250 then it will be mighty tight for an FT pan or a 4wd pan with the cross member and steering links.  Like already mentioned, probably don’t need extra oil unless you’re doing some extraordinary driving.  Stock pan, stock pump, and some top end oil restriction should be fine.

BTW, shouldn’t need extra cooling either beyond stock.

Roller cam is a nice feature if you got the money.  Pays for itself with better mpg by allowing for use of modern oil.  At least that’s what I’ve found comparing racing oil (needed for a flat tappet) vs modern oil (both 10w30).


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Re: Truck pans
« Reply #10 on: March 12, 2020, 09:55:27 PM »
One of my dads hotrods is a SWB '71 F-100. 390 with a T-10. He used the FT 391 dump truck pan. It just barely clears the cross member. That's with a windage tray and extra gasket too. Tie rods just clear also.   
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Re: Truck pans
« Reply #11 on: March 13, 2020, 01:42:13 AM »
A Morison Road Race pan won't clear. Other than stock that is all I have ever tried. Glad you posted this, I have wondered about the FT.

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Re: Truck pans
« Reply #12 on: March 13, 2020, 08:05:25 AM »
All good insight, thank you for the replies. After sleeping on it, have about come to the same conclusion as the consensus and thinking that the stock pan with an extra quart will be fine and dandy for my purposes. Will call the shop and check on the progress too. Engine will get forged pistons and shooting for 9.5-10:1 CR.
Sort of wish I had considered the roller cam; but this is my first 390 so will take my pass on it.
Rest of the truck will be Plain Jane without further mods planned, just a freshening inside and maybe a wash job. No fancy paint for this country boy.
thanks again for the tips; will get some pics up later and maybe start another thread with some of the resto work.  ;)
Brad
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Re: Truck pans
« Reply #13 on: March 15, 2020, 03:27:26 AM »
Yellercat remember that truck pans are setup for 6 quarts .And that's with the filter .Also the oil pump pickup for a car and pickup truck is different .Just get a pickup screen for your truck melling has them .I just completed an install of a 390 in my 73 f250 I used a oil pan from a 66 f250 and purchased an oil pump pickup for the same 66 f250 it worked out fine . I have a nice oil pan that might be what you need just respond to this post or pm me if interested .Doug

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Re: Truck pans
« Reply #14 on: March 15, 2020, 12:37:29 PM »
Bread box big truck pan will pan will work as said in a other post