Author Topic: Harmonic Dampers: Fluidampr vs TCI vs Romac vs ATI vs Innov. West vs ???  (Read 5376 times)

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338Raptor

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Which damper would best protect a 4.375” forged 4340 Scat crankshaft?
My application:
90% street, 5% drag, 5% autocross. Approx 3300# car, manual trans with aluminum flywheel.
526 cid SOHC, 800 hp, 700 tq, approx 7500 maximum RPM.

Which brands are best suited for my application and which should I avoid?
I assume I want something heavy and SFI approved.
ERA 427SC Cobra: Iron ‘67 625hp 482” SOHC, TKX 5 speed, TrueTrac 3.31 IRS, Magnesium Halibrands, Avon CR6ZZ tires. 

1969 Shelby GT350, 4 speed.

1967 Mustang Fastback: Close ratio T56 Magnum, Fab-9, Wilwood superlite brakes, Torque arm rear suspension, TCI-IFS with shock tower delete, (Coming soon, FE motor TBD)

1970 F250 4x4 Mud Truck, 557 BBF, as cast P51 heads, 900 hp @6700rpm, 801 tq, Q16, C6.

2012 Cobra Jet Mustang factory drag car, 5.4 liter 4.0 Whipple, 970 RWHP.

1964 Galaxie 500XL, 35 spline 3.70 Strange S-Trac, 6R80, (Coming soon: Pond Aluminum 525 SOHC, 800hp)

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I would only consider ATI and IW, and would lean more heavily toward IW.
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Ask Kaase what he uses on his long arm monster motors
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I know that an IW will handle 1200 hp at 8500. 
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If you go with the ATI, just be aware that it WILL be 7* off, so you'd need to alter or make a new pointer. Very nice piece, otherwise.
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I always use ATI, have had good luck with them.  I would steer clear of Fluidampr, the Scat guys have told me that whenever they see a broken crank, there is a Fluidampr on the snout...
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- 1969 Mach 1, Drag Week 2005 Winner NA/BB, 511" FE (10.60s @ 129); Drag Week 2007 Runner-Up PA/BB, 490" Supercharged FE (9.35 @ 151)
- 1964 Ford Galaxie, Drag Week 2009 Winner Modified NA (9.50s @ 143), 585" SOHC
- 1969 Shelby Clone, Drag Week 2015 Winner Modified NA (Average 8.98 @ 149), 585" SOHC

   

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IW nice parts but at least on a wedge the spacer sleeve must be reduced in length. Not a big deal but it is another step.
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Jay, do you run the aluminum or the steel ATI on your big motor?
ERA 427SC Cobra: Iron ‘67 625hp 482” SOHC, TKX 5 speed, TrueTrac 3.31 IRS, Magnesium Halibrands, Avon CR6ZZ tires. 

1969 Shelby GT350, 4 speed.

1967 Mustang Fastback: Close ratio T56 Magnum, Fab-9, Wilwood superlite brakes, Torque arm rear suspension, TCI-IFS with shock tower delete, (Coming soon, FE motor TBD)

1970 F250 4x4 Mud Truck, 557 BBF, as cast P51 heads, 900 hp @6700rpm, 801 tq, Q16, C6.

2012 Cobra Jet Mustang factory drag car, 5.4 liter 4.0 Whipple, 970 RWHP.

1964 Galaxie 500XL, 35 spline 3.70 Strange S-Trac, 6R80, (Coming soon: Pond Aluminum 525 SOHC, 800hp)

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I always use ATI, have had good luck with them.  I would steer clear of Fluidampr, the Scat guys have told me that whenever they see a broken crank, there is a Fluidampr on the snout...

Fluidamprs are great, but I don't think they work well on high RPM stuff. On low rpm, trucks, diesels, they are hard to beat. It's funny because on high performance stuff I've seen broken cranks with viscous dampers, but in the heavy duty stuff most of the broken cranks were using bonded dampers (or they tried running a viscous damper 3 million miles and the silicone is as hard as a rock or someone dented the can).

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After reading these comments I’m now a little worried. I have a Fluidampr on my 6700 RPM, 900 hp 557 with an Eagle 4340 4.5” crankshaft. 
ERA 427SC Cobra: Iron ‘67 625hp 482” SOHC, TKX 5 speed, TrueTrac 3.31 IRS, Magnesium Halibrands, Avon CR6ZZ tires. 

1969 Shelby GT350, 4 speed.

1967 Mustang Fastback: Close ratio T56 Magnum, Fab-9, Wilwood superlite brakes, Torque arm rear suspension, TCI-IFS with shock tower delete, (Coming soon, FE motor TBD)

1970 F250 4x4 Mud Truck, 557 BBF, as cast P51 heads, 900 hp @6700rpm, 801 tq, Q16, C6.

2012 Cobra Jet Mustang factory drag car, 5.4 liter 4.0 Whipple, 970 RWHP.

1964 Galaxie 500XL, 35 spline 3.70 Strange S-Trac, 6R80, (Coming soon: Pond Aluminum 525 SOHC, 800hp)

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After reading these comments I’m now a little worried. I have a Fluidampr on my 6700 RPM, 900 hp 557 with an Eagle 4340 4.5” crankshaft.

I would be too.
Brent Lykins
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Spend $400 to save a $10,000 engine?  Heck yeah.

JMO,

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Jay, do you run the aluminum or the steel ATI on your big motor?

The steel one, you want a heavy damper with a big stroker crank.
Jay Brown
- 1969 Mach 1, Drag Week 2005 Winner NA/BB, 511" FE (10.60s @ 129); Drag Week 2007 Runner-Up PA/BB, 490" Supercharged FE (9.35 @ 151)
- 1964 Ford Galaxie, Drag Week 2009 Winner Modified NA (9.50s @ 143), 585" SOHC
- 1969 Shelby Clone, Drag Week 2015 Winner Modified NA (Average 8.98 @ 149), 585" SOHC

   

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The chart here makes me believe you also need to a custom crank spacer shortened .375" to use the damper and then you also need an adapter to to install your OEM pulley in the correct location?

http://www.atiracing.com/products/dampers/charts/damford.htm

For instance, using damper 918310 (Steel, 7") says this:  1957-1961 early FE - Requires adapter #916581 & shortening the spacer sleeve .375”, to install stock pulleys in the OEM location.

All this damper talk makes me think it may be time to upgrade my Professional Products OEM replacement for my 428.