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Perfromer RPM or single plane...Any thoughts??
« on: March 01, 2019, 06:04:56 AM »
I'm currently building a '31 Model A to go racing this season. The car with me in it will weigh 2800lbs, 4 speed, 29" tire and a gear ratio between 4.56 - 4.88, I havent decided yet. I'm not going to have my 428 built in time to go in the car so I'm freshening up a 390 I used to run in my galaxie that went 12.4 @ 104. It is a .020" over 390, 11:1 comp, with a Comp 294s cam installed on a 104 ICL, Angle cut and ported C1AE heads with CJ valves. And a port matched Performer RPM. I'm wondering if swapping the intake while I have it apart will hurt or help me. I was looking at either a Victor or a trick flow single plane. Let me know your thoughts. Thanks. Fred.

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« Reply #1 on: March 01, 2019, 07:58:06 AM »
My opinion is stay with the Edelbrock RPM.  Even considering the light weight of the vehicle.   Given the smaller displacement, a dual plane intake is desirable.  And per Jay's book, the RPM intake is competitive up in the 600 hp range.  I say keep it.

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Re: Perfromer RPM or single plane...Any thoughts??
« Reply #2 on: March 01, 2019, 02:08:20 PM »
If traction is a problem then the Victor might help lose some low end torque with the 4 speed , other wise I'm with Paulie

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« Reply #3 on: March 01, 2019, 11:32:48 PM »
Thanks guys. I will stick with the Performer rpm. I’m hoping traction isn’t going to be an issue. I’ve spent a lot of time on setting up the 4 link in the car. I’m curious to see what kind of times I will turn compared to my galaxie. Weight alone I should see .5-1 second improvement. I’m interested to see what the 4 speed will do compared to running a C6. Fred

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« Reply #4 on: March 02, 2019, 01:19:39 AM »
I don`t know how fancy your C6 was, or what 4 speed you have, but when I converted my 428 CJ powered 78 Fairmont, from a C6 to the Jerico 4 speed, the improvement was considerable. My C6 was pretty decent, needle bearing low drag internals, "R" servo, Art Carr reverse manual transbrake valve body, and 8 " convertor  (4500 RPM on the foot brake, 5200 at WOT with the transbrake), with the C6, the best numbers were 10.55ET at 126 MPH, with a 1.42 60 foot. When I first installed the Jerico 4 speed, I changed nothing else, other  than swapping the 4.56 gears for 4.88s, since there would no longer be any convertor slippage. On the very first pass with the 4 speed, leaving at low RPM (4500 RPM), and hitting the rev limiter on every shift, it still went almost 2 tenths quicker and 2 MPH faster than the best run with the automatic. Getting used to the car with the stick resulted in better numbers, eventually ran a best of 10.03 @ 132 MPH with the identical 428, with a best 60 foot of 1.28. And that was after putting the 4.56 gears back in. (There was no convertor slippage, but the added 6 MPH put the finish line RPM up to 6800 RPM, beyond my comfort zone for my 40 year old stock blok crank, and rods, and higher than my flat tappet really wanted anyhow).
1978 Fairmont,FE 427 with 428 crank, 4 speed Jerico best of 9.972@132.54MPH 1.29 60 foot
1985 Mustang HB 331 SB Ford, 4 speed Jerico, best of 10.29@128 MPH 1.40 60 foot.
1974 F350 race car hauler 390 NP435 4 speed
1959 Ford Meteor 2 dr sedan. 428 Cobra Jet, 4 speed Toploader. 12.54@ 108 MPH

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« Reply #5 on: March 02, 2019, 09:02:48 AM »
The C6 was nothing fancy at all. A shift kit and pretty much a standard rebuild. I’m going to be running a top loader behind the 390 this season. When I put the 428 in the car I’m going to be putting a Hightower or G-force trans in. I have to do a little more research on what I want to buy.
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Re: Perfromer RPM or single plane...Any thoughts??
« Reply #6 on: March 02, 2019, 09:28:46 AM »
C6's are about durability, the rotating parts are so heavy that 4speed is bound to be an improvement.
Sounds like a cool build either way.

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« Reply #7 on: March 02, 2019, 03:26:35 PM »
When I put the 428 in the car I’m going to be putting a Hightower or G-force trans in. I have to do a little more research on what I want to buy.

The Hightower transmissions are aimed more at circle track and road racing, not drag racing. They're built with lighter gear components for quicker revving, not brute strength. So depending on what your plans are for the car, keep that in mind. I've researched this stuff to no end before finally making a decision.
Doug Smith


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'70 F-350 390
'55 Ford Customline 2dr
'37 Ford Coupe

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« Reply #8 on: March 02, 2019, 09:16:40 PM »
The Hightower transmissions are aimed more at circle track and road racing, not drag racing.

It seems like a lot of the nostalgia gasser guys running a Toploader had it built by Johnny Hightower...
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« Reply #9 on: March 03, 2019, 08:37:20 AM »
That’s the only reason I mentioned Hightower. I know a lot o guys running a Hightower or a Hightower prepped 4 speed in gasser classes. I’m not looking for a clutchless set up.

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« Reply #10 on: March 03, 2019, 02:27:27 PM »
It didn't occur to me that you said you had a Model A, so considerably less weight for the gears to deal with than a full size car. Same with stripped down gassers, so maybe that's how they get them to survive? I haven't seen or heard of one full size drag car that runs one. They pretty much all use G-Force now, or a Liberty/Lenco if the horsepower requires it. Rumor has it that Jerico is nearly done, but don't know how true that is.
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'70 F-350 390
'55 Ford Customline 2dr
'37 Ford Coupe

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« Reply #11 on: March 05, 2019, 02:45:37 PM »
Nearly done, as in "Out of business"?

It didn't occur to me that you said you had a Model A, so considerably less weight for the gears to deal with than a full size car. Same with stripped down gassers, so maybe that's how they get them to survive? I haven't seen or heard of one full size drag car that runs one. They pretty much all use G-Force now, or a Liberty/Lenco if the horsepower requires it. Rumor has it that Jerico is nearly done, but don't know how true that is.

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« Reply #12 on: March 05, 2019, 03:11:19 PM »
I heard the same rumor yesterday from a local 4 speed racer....

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« Reply #13 on: March 05, 2019, 03:59:20 PM »
Hey 64PI


What is this if I may ask ?? ... " Angle cut and ported C1AE heads "

The " Angle cut " part ..




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Re: Perfromer RPM or single plane...Any thoughts??
« Reply #14 on: March 06, 2019, 05:35:48 AM »
The heads were decked .080" on the exhaust side to 0 on the intake side. Moves the valve angle to the piston and raises the runner angle.