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Re: Guess the horsepower....
« Reply #60 on: February 04, 2019, 04:24:37 PM »
678 @ 6200 rpm
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Re: Guess the horsepower....
« Reply #61 on: February 04, 2019, 05:30:11 PM »
@ 6900

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Re: Guess the horsepower....
« Reply #62 on: February 06, 2019, 08:38:30 AM »
Sorry guys, gonna have to push it back another week.   The engine is sitting on its cradle patiently waiting, but the builder came down with the stomach flu. 

In addition, it's supposed to be 66° here tomorrow with thunderstorms and then 18° on Friday, with high of 30°.  I don't mind the cold, but really don't wanna drive on ice. 
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Re: Guess the horsepower....
« Reply #63 on: February 08, 2019, 01:49:02 PM »
I need to add @ 6700 rpm to my previously guesed 646 HP uncorrected.

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Re: Guess the horsepower....
« Reply #64 on: February 15, 2019, 06:12:43 PM »
I didn't think today would come....

Been through about 3 weeks of ice/snow, stomach flu, a head cold, another strain of stomach flu (I like to experience them all if I can) and then my wife got sick.  Good stuff.  I still don't feel well, but I hated to delay another week.  The owner was dying to hear the results.

With that being said, it was a long day with a valve spring change after break-in, and I didn't get a chance to get all the data that Jay asked for.  Sorry Jay. 

So the dyno showed a 7% correction today. 

Uncorrected peak hp was 632 at 7250. 

Corrected peak hp was 676. 

Uneventful day aside from a leaky screw-in freeze plug and a carburetor float that wasn't cooperating.  Clean oil filter, and the engine sounded clean and accelerated like a punk. 

I'm gonna go lay down.
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Re: Guess the horsepower....
« Reply #65 on: February 15, 2019, 07:11:15 PM »
Nice....but who won?

Get better soon!
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Re: Guess the horsepower....
« Reply #66 on: February 15, 2019, 07:50:57 PM »
Since we're playing the guessing game and we have the answer for horsepower, how about you Brent, making some guesses.

If you substituted the custom flat tappet used for a shelf 306S, how much would you guess that would hurt power?

Myself guessing that you mean by no porting that only a valve job was done and no tootsie roll action, would you guess the TFS head is the go-to part for this type of build?

Would you guess that a hydraulic roller could have made more power?

Of course you don't absolutely know the answers. Just asking for educated guesses.

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Re: Guess the horsepower....
« Reply #67 on: February 15, 2019, 07:52:53 PM »
That's a stout engine.


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Re: Guess the horsepower....
« Reply #68 on: February 15, 2019, 09:53:44 PM »
Brent , does this use BBC rod journal or FE ? BTW nice build you have there

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Re: Guess the horsepower....
« Reply #69 on: February 16, 2019, 12:55:22 AM »
Dang, was high 34hp + 400rpm low. Nice build !
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Re: Guess the horsepower....
« Reply #70 on: February 16, 2019, 05:25:14 AM »
Since we're playing the guessing game and we have the answer for horsepower, how about you Brent, making some guesses.

If you substituted the custom flat tappet used for a shelf 306S, how much would you guess that would hurt power?

Myself guessing that you mean by no porting that only a valve job was done and no tootsie roll action, would you guess the TFS head is the go-to part for this type of build?

Would you guess that a hydraulic roller could have made more power?

Of course you don't absolutely know the answers. Just asking for educated guesses.

Tommy,

On paper, a 306S should be low on duration and lift, with lazier lobes and not enough split to really help things at high rpm.   However, I've been surprised before with cams that performed, "that shouldn't have"....  My guess is that it would be down 20-25?????  It's just a wild guess at this point, since I've never ran one. 

I think there's even more power left in this engine if the owner wanted to get a little more aggressive with it.  He's running an A/FX Falcon, in a local (to him) class with a few other guys in it that just want to play and have fun.  He wanted something low-maintenance that made good horsepower.  This cam uses Comp's "Hi Tech" solid lobe, which is pretty easy on things.  I did nitride the cam and use tool steel lifters which have an oiling hole for added insurance.  I would have went solid roller, but the way these goofy TFS heads are, I was about afraid to start cutting on them for a T&D race rocker bar mount because I didn't know what I would get into.  You already have to mill the poop out of the rocker stands to get any kind of geometry whatsoever. 

These have a valve job and no sand roll action at all.  Buy them bare, do a VJ, assemble with correct valvetrain parts.  So in comparison to another build, a 465 ci Tunnel Port build made 696 hp and 588 torque.  Same compression ratio, same rod length, but the TP engine had a solid roller with same duration and about .750" lift.   Those TP heads were ported/filled and flowed 370-380 cfm.  I think that says a lot for the TFS heads, performance-wise.  These were the second set that I've used and I've been pretty pleased with them.  In addition, they only needed 30° total timing where the TP heads needed 40-41. 

Since I have had two builds with out-of-the-box TFS heads, I'd like to do 1-2 with some worked pieces.   They have a turbulent spot in them at around the .650" lift mark and I think they could be improved on a little.  Still, for the price, I think they are really nice pieces, even with the hoops you have to jump through to get them to work right. 

Would a HR have made more power?  Nah.  At the level of duration necessary for this size engine and rpm range, the advertised duration for a hydraulic roller would have been astronomical.   The drawback to a HR camshaft is that the lobes are normally way less aggressive, so the advertised durations are relatively high.....which increases overlap.....which can make an engine very inefficient.   This camshaft has 86° of overlap.  A  hydraulic roller of this duration range, even with a 114 LSA, would have had probably around 95° of overlap.  We're just bench racing here really, but I just don't think a HR would have been competitive at this level. 

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Re: Guess the horsepower....
« Reply #71 on: February 16, 2019, 05:25:43 AM »
Brent , does this use BBC rod journal or FE ? BTW nice build you have there

Eric, this was an RPM crankshaft with BBC rod journals.  I used Molnar 6.800 BBC rods.
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Re: Guess the horsepower....
« Reply #72 on: February 16, 2019, 12:08:43 PM »
That is impressive, I would be happy with that horse power in My Mustang or My 1961 Unibody or My Comet or My 1972 F 100 Well done Brent.

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Re: Guess the horsepower....
« Reply #73 on: February 16, 2019, 12:34:40 PM »
Very nice build!
1.45 hp/cu inch - awesome for a street type build.

Love to see some finished engine pics.

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Re: Guess the horsepower....
« Reply #74 on: February 16, 2019, 02:08:07 PM »
Pretty impressive numbers for an essentially out of the box head.  Takes a lot of work for the old iron to
compete with these new heads.  I tend to like the old stuff but at some point you finally have to finally realize
these new heads may be the way to go.  Makes he think about selling my HR stuff.  ;D

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