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bushwackr

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Searching for a cam
« on: November 10, 2017, 12:49:34 PM »
Im trying to find a replica of the ford C3AZ-6250-T cam . Its a solid lifter cam from 64-65 390

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« Reply #1 on: November 10, 2017, 01:09:37 PM »
I built a 390 some years ago for a series of articles I wrote for Mustang Illustrated Magazine. The purpose of the project was to look at what the latest technological advances might make possible.

When I had most of the pieces picked-out, I approached Comp Cams for their recommendation. I told them I wanted a solid 'street' roller with the 'manners' of the 'AA' cam from the mid '60s, an idle somewhat lower than 1000, and the mid-range and upper RPM to go past 6K easily. They wanted head flow data, car (truck) weight and gearing, among other things. The engine created beyond 500 horsepower and would pull strong to beyond 7K RPM. It idled at 800-850, with a mild but distinct lope.

Talk to a cam grinder. A good one will do you right. We have learned a lot about cam-shaft design since the mid-'60s.

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« Reply #2 on: November 11, 2017, 05:06:15 PM »
Check out cam research group (CRG) in Denver Colorado. They specialize in Ford cams. They custom ground one for my 463 stroker, it's a solid roller.

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Re: Searching for a cam
« Reply #3 on: November 11, 2017, 05:13:05 PM »
  Talk to a cam grinder. A good one will do you right. We have learned a lot about cam-shaft design since the mid-'60s. 

My advice would be to call an engine builder who specializes in the particular engine you're building.   

Bushwackr, if you have the exact specs, that cam should be easy to replicate using Bullet or Comp Cams lobes.
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Re: Searching for a cam
« Reply #4 on: November 12, 2017, 12:06:37 PM »
Thank You all for the info   

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Re: Searching for a cam
« Reply #5 on: November 13, 2017, 07:35:13 AM »
Im trying to find a replica of the ford C3AZ-6250-T cam . Its a solid lifter cam from 64-65 390
Would you happen to have the specs for that C3AZ-6250-T cam?

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« Reply #6 on: November 13, 2017, 08:19:11 AM »
yes i do I will put them on when I get home tonight

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Re: Searching for a cam
« Reply #7 on: November 13, 2017, 01:03:46 PM »
Google 'C3AZ-T Ford cam' and you'll get a bunch of crap and several entries that are actually worthwhile. About the 4th or 5th entry is one that mentions 'Mercury' and cam specs. Click on it and go to the second green entry down. It gives all the 'T' info. Mild solid-lifter cam. We've learned a lot since that time.

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« Reply #8 on: November 18, 2017, 05:27:25 PM »
Give Chris Straub a call. The cam has no idea what label is on the engine. Chris is probably one of the best cam designers in the country. You'd probably be very surprised to hear who's FE's are running his cam.

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Re: Searching for a cam
« Reply #9 on: November 19, 2017, 06:49:37 AM »
Based on a recent experience, I still stand by my original statement.....call an engine builder who’s familiar with the engine family you’re working on.
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Re: Searching for a cam
« Reply #10 on: November 19, 2017, 08:40:33 AM »
So to the original poster, two things here

1 - If you are looking for the C3AZ-6250-T cam for a reason, for instance you want a true blue restoration (for whatever reason) easy to have it custom ground.  Cam companies have a ton of lobes to pick from.  Nice thing is, today, as Brent and I discuss regularly, you can add some lobe taper, Nitride treatment, etc to make it less likely to bite during break in, you can do that on a stock cam or a hot solid flat tappet.

That cam is a 282 adv I/E, .440 lift, 114 LSA on 112.5 ICL.  Very old school and would require 10.75:1 compression in a 390.  It would run decent if you blueprinted an engine to match that cam, but you could get better with modern lobes and cam timing that uses more of the intake stroke and likely make significantly more power, even with similar manners if that is the goal.

2 - I will tell you this, it's true a cam doesn't know what color the engine is, but it does need to match the engine design if you are going to spend the money. Runner lengths, port cross section, lift limitations, port flow characteristics, exhaust port and header design, just to name a few are different on every engine.  It's far better to have someone who has experience with your engine as you can be double digit HP off, or kill certain portions of the curve, but end up paying more. 

If the pure resto doesn't apply, post what you are trying to do with the car, as well as the other details of the build, many of the guys on this forum can set you straight. Keep in mind, to optimize, everything has to be measured.  Also, even if it is a stock resto, a modern cam can be made to sound like the stocker, but perform better in your RPM range.
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« Reply #11 on: November 19, 2017, 06:50:11 PM »


2 - I will tell you this, it's true a cam doesn't know what color the engine is, but it does need to match the engine design if you are going to spend the money. Runner lengths, port cross section, lift limitations, port flow characteristics, exhaust port and header design, just to name a few are different on every engine.  It's far better to have someone who has experience with your engine as you can be double digit HP off, or kill certain portions of the curve, but end up paying more. 

If you're having a custom cam made the the designer doesn't ask about those things, you need another cam designer.
Again, I recommend Chris Straub. Ask Kaase about his FE cams...


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Re: Searching for a cam
« Reply #12 on: November 19, 2017, 07:02:46 PM »
A cam "designer" sits down with some 4th derivative equations and mathematically designs lobes around position, velocity, acceleration, and jerk. 

A cam "spec'er" picks a couple of lobes off the Bullet lobe catalog, has them grind it, then sticks it in a white box and charges $595 for it. 
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Re: Searching for a cam
« Reply #13 on: November 19, 2017, 07:30:39 PM »
A cam "designer" sits down with some 4th derivative equations and mathematically designs lobes around position, velocity, acceleration, and jerk. 

A cam "spec'er" picks a couple of lobes off the Bullet lobe catalog, has them grind it, then sticks it in a white box and charges $595 for it.
Are you insinuating that's what Chris does? If so, you couldn't me more wrong and obviously know nothing about his cams.
BUT...
Whatever. SOS here. I know, I know...the FE is "special".  ::)

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Re: Searching for a cam
« Reply #14 on: November 19, 2017, 07:34:23 PM »
So you're saying that Chris grinds the cams in-house, there at his shop?

« Last Edit: November 19, 2017, 07:49:14 PM by blykins »
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