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Old amps and receivers. Just like hot rods?
« on: June 09, 2017, 11:52:40 AM »
I find that that particular sound which we all remember can only be produced in vintage electronics.
I swear it's taken over my world as much as cars have.
I guess it's all part of that era, but I think it's more than that.
Soul. There is no soul in stuff produced now.
What do you guys listen to?
I have some Fishers and Marantz junk. I used to street race on Mason avenue where Marantz was located and always dug the look of the building.
Back then there stuff was unobtainium for this poor boy.
Whatchyall listening to?
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Re: Old amps and receivers. Just like hot rods?
« Reply #1 on: June 09, 2017, 12:30:32 PM »
Marc, when I mentioned that I messed with old tube amplifiers, I mainly mess around with guitar amplifiers. Absolutely nothing compares to tubes when it comes to guitar amplifiers. Still, I do have a few vintage tube amplifiers used for radios and such. One of them is a vintage Dynaco amplifier, which has been considered the 'gold' standard for vintage tube amplifiers for some time. They have a very clean sound with that warmth that only tubes can give. I have a few others, but nothing that compares to that Dynaco!

Before I was born, my Dad used to own and operate a radio and TV repair shop. He went to Devry institute out of high school (1952) and literally built my Grandparents first TV. He has a LOT of vintage radios and parts, but the top of the ladder is a vintage Scott radio that, if you don't know anything about them, were considered the Cadillacs of radios back in the '30s and '40s. His is an open style, or cabinet-less model (sometimes known as a table top) that is 100% chrome plated on the outside. Every cover for every part, including the frame, is chrome plated. It was a top-of-the-line model that only rich people could afford back in the day. I've wanted that thing for a LONG time, but he won't give it up till he's gone. I can wait on that one :)

The few others I have are a couple of vintage RCA, Zenith and Philco radios that I've enjoyed fixing and listening to. But I think my favorite is a 1924 Atwater Kent with a megaphone speaker. My Dad and I found it in a junkyard when I was about 10 years old. Amazingly, it was complete and still had its full complement of 01A tubes, which are very hard to find, or at least they were back then. The internet makes everything easier these days. Anyway, we restored it together (the first one he taught me on) and I still have it and listen to it to this day. I'm not a huge sports fan, but I get a kick out of listening to baseball games on that thing! I'll tell ya, it's like being transported back in time listening to a game through that old megaphone speaker. I used to stay up at night as a kid and listen to radio programs on that thing. Lots of memories from that lil old radio :)

Side note on that Atwater Kent, as well as a LOT of radios from the '20s and '30s, they literally cost more than your average Model T or Model A back then. My friends never believed me on that until I showed them original adds that I have from back then. At one point you could buy a Model T for a little more than $200, but the mid-line and up Atwater Kents were closer to $300 and up. They had base line models, called "bread board" models, that were about the same cost as a Model T. The radios internals were literally exposed and only mounted on a plank of wood. Very basic. When you think about it, that tells you how important the radio was to America and rural communities. Next to their house, it was the biggest, most expensive luxury that they ever had.

I love tubes! :)
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Re: Old amps and receivers. Just like hot rods?
« Reply #2 on: June 09, 2017, 12:45:43 PM »
I have a Technics receiver  amplifier from late 70-is and a sonny blue-ray player hooked up sounds alright, fare better then anything
new electronic stuff i have listened to up to 1200-1500$ region
My cousin thought a couple of years ago it may be  time to upgrade his Bang &Olufsen Hi Fi stereo amplifier receiver, that he payed several of months hard earned cash fore back in the 70-is when we was youngsters, to something better and newer.
So he walks in to this " HiFi club " store and starts to look around when the shop manager ask if he can help him out bla bla bla
so my cousin tells him what he has a B&O bla bla bla and wants something newer at least in the same sound class, the shop manager tells him hi is sorry but they don't have anything in the shop that is better. He tells my cousin that he needs to com up over 6000$ to beat the sound of his B&O stereo, and he is willing to order something fore him. ???


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« Reply #3 on: June 09, 2017, 01:02:41 PM »
I tried every instrument and couldn't hold a beat for more than 2 minutes, even AC/DC on the drums. All the amps Jerred owned were tube type.

Not an amplifier story but I had a Marantz record player, radio, cassette player. It pushed a pair of stacked 15" Pioneers and a pair of 12" Bose. When I was a teenager dad broke a couple of knobs off when I had it up too loud. In all fairness he told me once not to have it that loud. It was old when I got it and lasted another 14 years of blasting anything I was in the mood for till the whole left channel quit.
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« Reply #4 on: June 09, 2017, 01:51:21 PM »
I've had Marantz and Fisher stuff over the years, as well as others. Right now, my home studio's music system consists of a Mackie 24 channel mixer ran through a BBM Sonic Control, then through a dual channel 32 band graphic EQ, then into a compressor/limiter, then into twin Yamaha amplifiers rated at 700/500 respectively. Speakers are 4 Yamaha PA speakers rated at 500/400 respectively. I can run any signal through the mixer board, so it doesn't matter if it's vinyl, MP3 or YouTube, I can play it.....loudly. ;D
Yeah, it's a bit of overkill, but that's what it takes to even get near a vintage 100 watt Marshall Plexi guitar amplifier. If you've never heard one of those live, you don't know what 100 watts is capable of!! :o
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« Reply #5 on: June 09, 2017, 02:20:23 PM »
Doug I knew you played guitar and fiddled with guitar amps. Saw you in a vid or two gitfiddlin' away in the past.
I dig that whole 60's / 70's sound (audio wise). I have recently discovered that sound again and am furiously researching/buying/fixing old stuff.
I haven't gotten into the older radios as you have but it certainly a logical step. Kinda like finishing my 60's cars then building a 30's deal.
I have just been struck at how complimentary and parallel the two hobbies are. Cars and music pretty much go together.
Right now I have a Marantz 2270 (looking for a 2325), Fischer 200 and 400, Luxman R 3055 running through JBL L80s (looking for some Klipsch Hereseys) and a Harmon Kardon T60C turntable. The Fisher 200 takes care of the garage and the others are in my living room.
Am constantly looking to upgrade and find new stuff. I've really only scratched the surface but I don't pass a garage sale without checking for gear.
And overkill is good.



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« Reply #6 on: June 09, 2017, 03:09:06 PM »
The '70s vintage home stereo stuff is probably the pinnacle of sound, in my opinion. The power transformers were massively heavy duty, and the capacitors and carbon resistors back then had a lot to do with the sound. Only problem is finding similar stuff to repair them with when the time comes. And it does come, eventually.

Yeah, I'm a bit of a tube amp buff...



That little Gibson GA-20 RVT Minuteman amp to the far left (made about 1966), barely seen in the picture, is probably the sweetest sounding amp of any of them. It has a tube driven reverb that just absolutely blows anything away today. It can't even be described, you just have to hear how smooth and organic it is.

And I'm sorry you've seen some of my videos. There MAY have been some alcohol involved in those, so I'm going to use that excuse ;D
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« Reply #7 on: June 09, 2017, 04:35:46 PM »
I was briefly, and I emphasize briefly, into the stereo thing.  This was back in high school, before the car bug bit me.  Back then quadraphonic was the new thing, so I bought a Marantz quad system.  It was fairly low power, only provided 30 watts per channel in stereo mode, and 12 watts per channel in quad mode, but I had some high efficiency speakers with it and it sounded great.  Back then you had to have a couple of quadraphonic decoders, because there were two different competing technologies, SQ and CD-4.  The SQ decoder fit into the bottom of the receiver, and the CD-4 system required a very high frequency cartridge for the turntable, with a frequency range of 20Hz to 45 KHz.  The CD-4 system gave a truer quadraphonic signal but the most of the bands I listened to back then were recorded on SQ, so I used that setup more often.

The receiver also had a Dolby noise filter setup, with six different knobs to adjust the filtering, not just an on/off switch.  It was fun screwing around with the adjustments to see how the sound varied. 

For my 18th birthday my dad gave me his 67 Mustang fastback.  Stereo?  What stereo?  I ended up selling all that stuff in the early 1990s; bet its worth a few bucks now...
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« Reply #8 on: June 09, 2017, 07:05:10 PM »
I have friends that are way into the electronics & audio deal (like epic level as in once running sound equipment for Nugent or the Fox Theater level...) and some of that kinda half heartedly rubs off on me.  I am not really skilled or knowledgeable on that stuff but I am a fan.

For a family room stereo I have a +/-1981 Toshiba SA7100 receiver running against four restored Realistic "Mach One" speakers.  It's enough power and enough cone area (15" woofers) to really annoy my wife and kids.  Its really just a collection of stuff that I wanted back in college, and two of the Mach Ones were purchased with money from my first job out of school in about 1982.  They must have made watts bigger back then because it decidedly blows away the fairly current home theater system despite similar power ratings....

I have a couple other old sound makers that I restored or acquired over the years.  One is a Sonora phonograph from the early 1900s.  The other is a really pretty 1937 Zenith radio.  Only an 8 tube, but a very ornate cabinet.  To confirm Doug's comments - one friend owns an absolutely stunning Scott - he has a large house literally filled with over a hundred cabinet radios, has perhaps fifty early Jeeps, and considers the Scott to be his prized possession.

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« Reply #9 on: June 10, 2017, 06:43:28 AM »
I have a Marantz receiver/amp I still listen to my tunes with. Had it so long it must be considered an antique. Had a problem with it about 10yrs ago. Didn't know if I should have it repaired or just replace it. Glad now I had it fixed. Back in the day I played my old Gibson Melody Maker thru an old Fender amp. The amp was old when I bought it. It was awesome. Still have the Gibson. Don't know what happened to the amp though. I think my brother sold it while after I was drafted. He won't admit it though.

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« Reply #10 on: June 10, 2017, 07:45:38 AM »
There is nothing made today that compares to a vintage tube guitar amp. The warmth of the sound and the sustain
is just not there.
I still have my Harmony H304A amp my parents gave me for Christmas 1966 along with the Harmony Silhouette/Bobcat guitar
and case. One of my ham radio buds went thru the amp and replaced a few bad capacitors with matching ones he found and this
thing sounds great. I had the guitar worked over by a local shop and I love it. People laugh when I tell them I wouldn't trade it
for a Les Paul.  Scott Sharrard, whom was Gregg Allman's last guitarist had one he played when I saw him here April 6th 2016. I have a
picture of it sitting on the stage.
Also have an American made Fender Blues DeVille with 4 10's that has all vintage NOS tubes in it. It is sweet ! 
Nothing but tube amps for me. There are some things you just can't improve on.

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« Reply #11 on: June 10, 2017, 11:45:42 AM »
Back in the day I played my old Gibson Melody Maker thru an old Fender amp. The amp was old when I bought it. It was awesome. Still have the Gibson. Don't know what happened to the amp though. I think my brother sold it while after I was drafted. He won't admit it though.

That was a REALLY popular combo, and would be pretty valuable today.


Also have an American made Fender Blues DeVille with 4 10's that has all vintage NOS tubes in it. It is sweet ! 
Nothing but tube amps for me. There are some things you just can't improve on.

garyv

Ditto on that. Vintage tubes are worth BIG bucks, depending on the maker. I have a stash of vintage power and pre-amp tubes. They make a huge difference in sound and can be about as valuable as gold! For a while, Russia was about the only country still making tubes. Probably because much of their equipment was so 'outdated' that they still required them. Now, there are a few more makers, but Russia is still probably the leader. I have an old TV-7/U military tube tester that I use to match my tubes. Some guys take this stuff much more seriously than I do, but I do like tinkering with it, mostly in the winter months.
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« Reply #12 on: June 10, 2017, 12:09:57 PM »
While a bit less than "Hi-Fi", my 2 most prized possessions as far as audio goes...

A 1927 wind-up Sears & Roebuck turntable that my Grandparents bought new. I've got a couple hundred 78's to play on it, and it gets used regularly.



And the Atwater Kent that my Dad and I fixed up. After 40 years, it could use another refreshing. 3 tuning knobs makes it interesting to find stations on. I've compiled a list over the years, some as far away as 400-500 miles. They take a really extravagant antenna set-up to get really good signals, but they can really pull in the stations.

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« Reply #13 on: June 11, 2017, 11:54:13 AM »
here is my 1950 Bogen theater amp. It was a redundant 2 channel amp, so if one channel crapped out during a performance, you just flipped a switch & fired up the second channel.  That made it real nice to convert to stereo. It is actually two separate mono block amps mounted on one chassis. The Medallion speakers come out of an auditorium. The amp was a $10 flea market find & the speakers were rescued from a dumpster.
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« Reply #14 on: June 11, 2017, 12:18:23 PM »
here is my 1950 Bogen theater amp. It was a redundant 2 channel amp, so if one channel crapped out during a performance, you just flipped a switch & fired up the second channel.  That made it real nice to convert to stereo. It is actually two separate mono block amps mounted on one chassis. The Medallion speakers come out of an auditorium. The amp was a $10 flea market find & the speakers were rescued from a dumpster.

That is sweet! Look at the massive transformers on that thing. Even the output transformers are huge. Commercial stuff like that amp are built like a tank! Looks like it has 2 tone controls for each channel? If so, I'll bet that thing sounds pretty sweet with some good speakers.
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