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EFI Intake thoughts/ramblings for a 440
« on: February 17, 2017, 08:23:50 AM »
Since the major fab work is done in my mustang I'm able to get the engine going.
It's a C scratch 428, 4.180 bores, 4 inch stroke, BBM heads. I want to run it port injected but will prolly start it and dyno it on a carb.
Obviously a Victor with the injector bosses already in it is a choice. I was wondering if anyone had other ideas for a manifold. I'm remembering that Barry was playing with dual planes and injection for a bit. This is a three pedal street car.
I have an FE Power adapter to use if the 351c world has an interesting choice.
Thanks for input in advance.
« Last Edit: February 18, 2017, 03:18:21 PM by turbohunter »
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Re: Intake thoughts/ramblings for a 440
« Reply #1 on: February 17, 2017, 08:40:26 AM »
I did a 351c tunnel ram I converted for fuel injection, using a fepower adapter.




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Re: Intake thoughts/ramblings for a 440
« Reply #2 on: February 17, 2017, 09:51:04 AM »
Why not use a FiTech EFI with an Edelbrock RPM?  Cheaper, easier to tune, just as much power...
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Re: Intake thoughts/ramblings for a 440
« Reply #3 on: February 17, 2017, 07:08:58 PM »
I did a 351c tunnel ram I converted for fuel injection, using a fepower adapter

I followed your build. Nice out of box thinking.
Don't think I could fit that under my hood but I like it.

Unclewill I'm not really into the Fitech or Holley or any carb style for this deal. However my daily driver 292 might get that treatment one day.
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Re: Intake thoughts/ramblings for a 440
« Reply #4 on: February 17, 2017, 09:52:33 PM »
Marc, I'd push toward a port injected FAST kit or a Megasquirt on a Victor EFI, but realize it needs porting to be real strong.

As far as the TB systems, I have installed a few, and although I initially was hot on the FITEch with laptop programming, after talking to them, it's really not as adjustable as you would think with the laptop.  That doesn't make it bad, just after understanding what theya re doing with the laptop vs the contoller, the programming relies so much on learning, that it really doesn't want you inside it.  However, a port injected engine, you can do some great things to balance drivability and power, so I am all for it if the budget allows.

Longer runners with a dual plane could potentially help, especially in a 440 inch motor, by matching the runner length to the rpm range a bit better, (Barry's testing) but I can tell you, you will have absolutely no unhappy moments with a ported Victor at part or wide-open throttle with good tuning.  Have it rubbed on though, because they need it out of the box
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Re: Intake thoughts/ramblings for a 440
« Reply #5 on: February 17, 2017, 10:11:58 PM »
Im with you Ross on the Victor. And I'm keeping that as my default. It'll get plenty o' rubbin' if I indeed go that way, but I'm really curious about benefits from dual plane construction. I'd be happy to invest in a bit of welding magic to make it work.
Last summer Jay and I talked about the Megsquirt systems. I'll prolly head that way as our host is pretty darned good with them and may be able to keep me out of to much trouble.
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Re: Intake thoughts/ramblings for a 440
« Reply #6 on: February 18, 2017, 12:10:27 AM »
Megasquirt MS3-Pro on a Trick Flow EFI intake with the intake adapter.  Nice long runners for torque and good flow potential.  I have to talk Joe Craine into lending me his setup to test on my next dyno mule, which I hope to have on the pump by the end of the month...
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Re: Intake thoughts/ramblings for a 440
« Reply #7 on: February 18, 2017, 07:05:08 AM »
Megasquirt MS3-Pro on a Trick Flow EFI intake with the intake adapter.  Nice long runners for torque and good flow potential.  I have to talk Joe Craine into lending me his setup to test on my next dyno mule, which I hope to have on the pump by the end of the month...

I think if you have the room under the hood, that setup would be hard to beat for street/strip
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Re: Intake thoughts/ramblings for a 440
« Reply #8 on: February 18, 2017, 11:32:57 AM »
This guy the one you're talking about?
https://www.trickflow.com/parts/tfs-51600113
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Re: Intake thoughts/ramblings for a 440
« Reply #9 on: February 18, 2017, 11:46:44 AM »
Just for grins, found this while researching from Wilson.



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Re: EFI Intake thoughts/ramblings for a 440
« Reply #11 on: February 18, 2017, 04:43:21 PM »
No problem, but I haven't ordered the fuel rails as yet.  I have two sets of 42# injectors, but you will most likely need more injector for a big FE.  I got swept up in EMC builds for folks, and haven't spent a lot of time for myself, lately.  Just let me know if you do want to borrow those intakes.  Joe-JDC
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Re: Intake thoughts/ramblings for a 440
« Reply #12 on: February 18, 2017, 05:04:32 PM »
Nope, I was thinking more along the lines of one of these:

https://www.summitracing.com/parts/tfs-516b0116/overview/make/ford

https://www.summitracing.com/parts/tfs-516b0118/overview/make/ford

Ohhhhh
Those babies are 12 inches tall. I'd love it but don't think they'll fit.
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Re: EFI Intake thoughts/ramblings for a 440
« Reply #13 on: February 18, 2017, 05:50:43 PM »
Hmm, now you got me thinking. And that's usually trouble.
I do have two hoods.
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Re: EFI Intake thoughts/ramblings for a 440
« Reply #14 on: February 18, 2017, 07:01:59 PM »
No problem, but I haven't ordered the fuel rails as yet.  I have two sets of 42# injectors, but you will most likely need more injector for a big FE.  I got swept up in EMC builds for folks, and haven't spent a lot of time for myself, lately.  Just let me know if you do want to borrow those intakes.  Joe-JDC

Joe, I'll get back to you on that in a week or so.  I have some Ford 80# injectors that will work, and also some fuel rail stock that I can machine to fit - Jay
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- 1969 Mach 1, Drag Week 2005 Winner NA/BB, 511" FE (10.60s @ 129); Drag Week 2007 Runner-Up PA/BB, 490" Supercharged FE (9.35 @ 151)
- 1964 Ford Galaxie, Drag Week 2009 Winner Modified NA (9.50s @ 143), 585" SOHC
- 1969 Shelby Clone, Drag Week 2015 Winner Modified NA (Average 8.98 @ 149), 585" SOHC