BBM blocks

[Katz427]

My block should be in the frozen north by end of next week. If I remember correctly the cam bearings are all the same OD for the BBM block. My budget for this project is already behind but it seems that is the rule with old (or new) cars. At least the engine can move forward.

[cjshaker]

Mine has steel caps but are not pinned.
BBM's are pinned and the SOG and Pond.

SOG blocks are not pinned on the caps. I have one, or more accurately, Blair has it right now. They are not perfect, but it's a nice block with just a little work. It could probably handle 900+/- easily, with good machine work.

Keith, do a search on the forum. I posted a bunch of pictures when I got it. Try "Sideoiler Garage Block" in the search.

[cjshaker]

The search didn't work for me so I went back through my posts. Here's the post I did on the SOG block.

http://fepower.net/simplemachinesforum/index.php?topic=1483.msg13054#msg13054

[bn69stang]

what are the BBM blocks rated for hp wise Doug ?

[cjshaker]

what are the BBM blocks rated for hp wise Doug ?

I don't think any of them are rated for HP, per se, but as far as being able to handle horsepower, I think they would be pretty much the same. They both have very similar qualities and improvements for strength. In my opinion, and it's just MY opinion, the only real advantage the BBM block has is it's initial machining quality and casting is slightly better. That kind of gets washed out though because both blocks will require a complete going through if you really want to throw some big power at them. There are still a lot of Genesis blocks out there that are producing big power numbers, and have been for many years now. There was one recent build that Thor (XR7) had a major hand in that was around the 900+hp mark if I remember correctly. That block had been raced for several years already with a little lower power output, but still pretty darned healthy.

When the last short, limited run became available, I jumped and got one as fast as I could. Nobody knew about BBM then because they hadn't even appeared on the scene, so at the time it was the only option, as I saw it. BBM appeared shortly after that. In the end though, it won't matter much because SOG blocks are just not being produced, and it doesn't appear that they will be again anytime soon.

[ScotiaFE]

Mine has steel caps but are not pinned.
BBM's are pinned and the SOG and Pond.

SOG blocks are not pinned on the caps. I have one, or more accurately, Blair has it right now. They are not perfect, but it's a nice block with just a little work. It could probably handle 900+/- easily, with good machine work.

Keith, do a search on the forum. I posted a bunch of pictures when I got it. Try "Sideoiler Garage Block" in the search.

Oh my mistake I thought I had seen that on a SOG block.
Might have been the alum's I seen a picture of.
Oh Ya any one of these blocks are excellent foundations for a 1000HP attempt.
Still a really kool block and a great foundation for your Hot Rod.
Ever find a kool gear box for it. 

[XR7]

"There was one recent build that Thor (XR7) had a major hand in that was around the 900+hp mark if I remember correctly. That block had been raced for several years already with a little lower power output, but still pretty darned healthy."

Correction on that Doug! Your short changing it! LOL. The build you mentioned I was involved with made 1087HP@8200. It has always been over 900 and on the first build it made 919 and then on freshen up made 909. I changed the entire top end and only changed the timing belt on the shortblock, otherwise same as when it made 909.

It is a Genesis iron block with 4.376 bore and 4.125 stroke for 496CI.

[cjshaker]

Sorry about that, Thor. I have the build thread saved but didn't refer to it. I should have, because it deserves the recognition. It really is a fantastic build and shows the potential of the blocks. As far as I'm aware, it's the first wedge head FE over 1000hp NA, not counting the billet head builds of Kuntz. Congrats on a very nice engine!

[XR7]

No problem Doug, I know you meant well! It's all good. I do know there have been a few other "cast".. in-line, wedge FE 's over 1000HP. Not sure how many, likley count on one hand, but Kuntz has done some ED Pro Port builds like that. I think the first one was just over the 1K mark, thought I heard that one was around 1040, but again, no idea on exact numbers. It would be interesting to hear some facts on that, not just rumors. Also I would think that some guys want to keep #'s secret and not post them up on the web, so there sure could be more out there.

Kuntz did one billet canted valve engine N/A that made 1112, but was said to have more in it. The only other billet/canted head build was a twin turbo build and has never been finished (yet) to my knowledge, I heard this just recently. He was the guy that funded the project to begin with, Ed Lavender. It was to be for Pro Nostalgia and by the time it was ready (5 years development, around 2010), the class was no more, so he decided to switch the build from N/A to twin turbos and FI for 10.5 racing, has been a lot of changes since then it that class as well.

[ACHiPo]

My iron BBM block was delivered by YRC freight to my engine builder Wed., which was a couple days earlier than they anticipated.  Quite impressive to ship from LA to CT in 6 days.  Another positive for Doug and BBM.

Wish I was there to open it up and take pictures/measurements!

[Joe-JDC]

When I bought my Shelby aluminum FE block, they were advertised as capable of handling 1500 hp.  Apparently some of them were built with blowers for testing.  Anyway, I don't plan on adding a blower to mine.  Joe-JDC

[fekbmax]

I can't wait to see what one of those FE POWER  .net  blocks look like .. 

[bn69stang]

yeah thats what im say ng , we need blocks for christmas Jay ..

[jayb]

Unfortunately I have no control of the block situation, but I will pass on your wishes to the block guy...

[bn69stang]

It was worth a try jay , best wishes to you and your family .. Bud