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427Fastback

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Re: Drag Week 2016, Day 5
« Reply #15 on: September 18, 2016, 08:33:26 PM »
Congrats to every one involved here who participated in drag week...
As a long time machine fitter I can say that I do not like needle bearings and try and stay far away from them.I would rather have a bushing...Way less carnage when things go bad...JMO
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Re: Drag Week 2016, Day 5
« Reply #16 on: September 19, 2016, 10:15:24 AM »
Jay congrats to you and all your helpers this year i went to martin to see you run what was your 60 ft at martin. It looked like left harder there then the rest of them.

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Re: Drag Week 2016, Day 5
« Reply #17 on: September 19, 2016, 10:19:26 AM »
Pretty sure it ran a 1.32 at Martin, best of the week I think.  Hot Rod takes the time slips that you turn in, so I don't have that record anymore...
Jay Brown
- 1969 Mach 1, Drag Week 2005 Winner NA/BB, 511" FE (10.60s @ 129); Drag Week 2007 Runner-Up PA/BB, 490" Supercharged FE (9.35 @ 151)
- 1964 Ford Galaxie, Drag Week 2009 Winner Modified NA (9.50s @ 143), 585" SOHC
- 1969 Shelby Clone, Drag Week 2015 Winner Modified NA (Average 8.98 @ 149), 585" SOHC

   

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Re: Drag Week 2016, Day 5
« Reply #18 on: September 19, 2016, 12:18:11 PM »
Can you clue us in on the ratio idea btw?

I'm not Bill, but the problem we've been working on is that the factory rocker is about 1.3 to 1 or so. Although ratios of over 2 to 1 have been tried on other engines, it seems to be agreed that 1.7-1.8 is more in the range for a performance engine. But on the Ford SOHC head, achieving such a ratio will necessitate doing some surgery on the head casting itself. The 'mount-spot', if I can so designate it needs to be moved to make possible a fulcrum location for the higher ratio.

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Re: Drag Week 2016, Day 5
« Reply #19 on: September 19, 2016, 12:48:30 PM »
Doh! My mistake.....thanks KEN ! Got it on what's needed as IIRC getting that ratio in the 1.7-1.8 range will vastly improve breathing and of course hp!
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Re: Drag Week 2016, Day 5
« Reply #20 on: September 19, 2016, 01:06:01 PM »
The real issue is limited lift.  The cam can be ground so that the profile at the valve is the same as for a pushrod engine with a higher rocker ratio.  But when you get much over 0.700" lift, the cam lobe starts to interfere with the underside of the rocker, so you can't go any higher.  Going to a higher rocker ratio will allow a significant increase in lift, as a result.
Jay Brown
- 1969 Mach 1, Drag Week 2005 Winner NA/BB, 511" FE (10.60s @ 129); Drag Week 2007 Runner-Up PA/BB, 490" Supercharged FE (9.35 @ 151)
- 1964 Ford Galaxie, Drag Week 2009 Winner Modified NA (9.50s @ 143), 585" SOHC
- 1969 Shelby Clone, Drag Week 2015 Winner Modified NA (Average 8.98 @ 149), 585" SOHC

   

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Re: Drag Week 2016, Day 5
« Reply #21 on: September 19, 2016, 01:20:34 PM »
Thanks Jay and Ken for the unique-to-the-SOHC explanation. I do hope you all get there as a near 1" lift (maybe more) Cammer would be a sight & sound to behold! 
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Re: Drag Week 2016, Day 5
« Reply #22 on: September 21, 2016, 03:00:04 PM »
Hey.............watch out!!  Jay let me loose on the forums!!!

Good to see everyone made it to the end. 

I had a great time last Tuesday hanging out with Jay and the Gang(sounds like a music group?) and Doug and his family.  Thanks again Doug for the ice cream(part of the "norwalk experience").  When I heard Jay had rocker issues at Martin I was like..ugh, we shoulda never said a word about "no rocker issues so far" at Norwalk.

I always say I want to do either drag week or power tour but just never seem to get it on my schedule.  I've put thoughts into taking the Mack on power tour instead of one of the hot rods.  I have less issue leaving it sit in a parking lot overnight(no one can drive a truck with three sticks so not much chance of it being stolen) as I'm kinda itchy about even leaving the race car out overnight at the track.   Ah, someday.

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Re: Drag Week 2016, Day 5
« Reply #23 on: September 21, 2016, 03:36:33 PM »
If I remember correctly, wasn't Barry R. working on a new design for the SOHC rockers?  These T & D rockers are nice, but seem to be the weak link on these engines. A new design rocker (without needle bearings) along with the heads machined for a larger lobe.......  then twin turbos.  Sell my grandmother to raise funds for that engine!~
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Re: Drag Week 2016, Day 5
« Reply #24 on: September 21, 2016, 05:59:12 PM »
Hey.............watch out!!  Jay let me loose on the forums!!!

Good to see everyone made it to the end. 

I had a great time last Tuesday hanging out with Jay and the Gang(sounds like a music group?) and Doug and his family.  Thanks again Doug for the ice cream(part of the "norwalk experience").  When I heard Jay had rocker issues at Martin I was like..ugh, we shoulda never said a word about "no rocker issues so far" at Norwalk.

I always say I want to do either drag week or power tour but just never seem to get it on my schedule.  I've put thoughts into taking the Mack on power tour instead of one of the hot rods.  I have less issue leaving it sit in a parking lot overnight(no one can drive a truck with three sticks so not much chance of it being stolen) as I'm kinda itchy about even leaving the race car out overnight at the track.   Ah, someday.

Welcome to the board Larry!  I hope you add that wheelie picture of your wagon to your signature; that's a great shot. 

If you ever do make it to Drag Week, you won't regret it.  It's a lot of work, but it is a blast...
Jay Brown
- 1969 Mach 1, Drag Week 2005 Winner NA/BB, 511" FE (10.60s @ 129); Drag Week 2007 Runner-Up PA/BB, 490" Supercharged FE (9.35 @ 151)
- 1964 Ford Galaxie, Drag Week 2009 Winner Modified NA (9.50s @ 143), 585" SOHC
- 1969 Shelby Clone, Drag Week 2015 Winner Modified NA (Average 8.98 @ 149), 585" SOHC

   

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Re: Drag Week 2016, Day 5
« Reply #25 on: September 21, 2016, 07:42:15 PM »
Jay,  congrats on the podium finish! I could see that the virus you fought all week took the wind from your sails, but you hung in there.
Congrats as well to Doug,  Allen, Kevin for finishing, and to Scott for your 2nd place behind the seemingly invincible Kurt Johnson. Larry. It was cool to see you again, it's been 7 years since last time at Columbus. Forget about poser tour. Bring the Battlestar to Drag Week!

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Re: Drag Week 2016, Day 5
« Reply #26 on: September 21, 2016, 10:14:14 PM »
Ya, the wagon would be cool, but would take some finesse to get it ready for 1000 mile road trip  :P  Like a block not 3/4 filled with concrete  :o.

Anyone got an alum block they don't need and would donate to a good cause???  Few more cubes, little more headwork and might go 10.5's?  Not bad.
I had a line on a 482, all alum FE, made just a tic under 800 hp.  All fresh, ready to roll and it was bargain priced!!!!  Man, if I just had the money to waste on it a few years ago I would be in like Flynn.  Maybe 9.90's then???
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Re: Drag Week 2016, Day 5
« Reply #27 on: September 22, 2016, 07:28:58 AM »
My block is filled up to the water pump holes with hard-block, doesn't give me any trouble on the street.  Water temp stays in the 180 range, oil temp around 225, no oil cooler.  The wagon would be AWESOME on Drag Week...
Jay Brown
- 1969 Mach 1, Drag Week 2005 Winner NA/BB, 511" FE (10.60s @ 129); Drag Week 2007 Runner-Up PA/BB, 490" Supercharged FE (9.35 @ 151)
- 1964 Ford Galaxie, Drag Week 2009 Winner Modified NA (9.50s @ 143), 585" SOHC
- 1969 Shelby Clone, Drag Week 2015 Winner Modified NA (Average 8.98 @ 149), 585" SOHC

   

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Re: Drag Week 2016, Day 5
« Reply #28 on: September 22, 2016, 08:07:18 AM »
Gunno need a water cooled credit card to pay for the gas............. :o

It does have a license plate on it, but no road insurance.
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Re: Drag Week 2016, Day 5
« Reply #29 on: September 22, 2016, 09:18:24 AM »
Jay, a wagon would be a good car for your Twin Turbo Cammer project. 4 link strut car, with woodgrain paneling, and a roof rack. With the space of the wagon, and a roof rack, you wouldn't need a trailer. THAT would be perfect when your wife wants to go with on DW. Less hassle.